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Post by sd51555 on Jan 26, 2021 21:43:19 GMT -6
I'd seriously look into it. It's been a few years since I've seen the cost per Btu comparison, but when I did it last, nat gas was half the price LP, and it might be even cheaper now. We had a big to-do out here a number of years back where the pipeline company didn't want to service the rural folks that had taps into the pipe. It was part of the deal that came with the easement when they pounded the pipe in. There's no money in it for the work involved for the gas company, and the rural taps still need odorizers serviced and what not. Just make sure the servicing company isn't gonna rip your guts out for service work. When I was in the propane business, the gas company was running more lines into the country as the edges of town pushed out. Once it reached feasibility for a farmer to hook up to nat gas and dry corn, it was game over for the LP guys. Running that line (if at all possible) will be far cheaper in the long run than going with propane. Kinda like going solar when grid is available.....makes no sense....and you gotta be a bit on the goofy side to go that direction. Do enough goofy stuff....and pretty soon you be watching women's wrestling. Grin. Just so we’re clear, Foggy jerked the wheel into the weeds... If it costs $60/mo to use no power. How good of a deal is that? Do you pay for hotels you don’t visit? Meals you don’t eat? Tickets to see Sasha live are a huge value, but I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone who doesn’t like hot chicks or fun.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 26, 2021 22:18:23 GMT -6
Running that line (if at all possible) will be far cheaper in the long run than going with propane. Kinda like going solar when grid is available.....makes no sense....and you gotta be a bit on the goofy side to go that direction. Do enough goofy stuff....and pretty soon you be watching women's wrestling. Grin. Just so we’re clear, Foggy jerked the wheel into the weeds... If it costs $60/mo to use no power. How good of a deal is that? Do you pay for hotels you don’t visit? Meals you don’t eat? Tickets to see Sasha live are a huge value, but I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone who doesn’t like hot chicks or fun. I KNOW that you miss the grid....espeially in summer.....but your too proud or too cheap to admit it. Go ahead.....take a leap. Reward yourself. With all the time, expense, and energy you put into being off-grid.....you could easily enjoy REAL POWER.....and you would harness the world. You might even learn to weld.....or enjoy AC. Eat your heart out. Edit: Why should I care? In a few short years and a bit of sacrifice.....he will be at net zero sum......and then he will buy real power with the money he saved? OK....you can't save em all. FORE! Attachments:
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 26, 2021 22:35:21 GMT -6
Just so we’re clear, Foggy jerked the wheel into the weeds... If it costs $60/mo to use no power. How good of a deal is that? Do you pay for hotels you don’t visit? Meals you don’t eat? Tickets to see Sasha live are a huge value, but I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone who doesn’t like hot chicks or fun. I KNOW that you miss the grid....espeially in summer.....but your too proud or too cheap to admit it. Go ahead.....take a leap. Reward yourself. With all the time, expense, and energy you put into being off-grid.....you could easily enjoy REAL POWER.....and you would harness the world. You might even learn to weld.....or enjoy AC. Eat your heart out. Edit: Why should I care? In a few short years and a bit of sacrifice.....he will be at net zero sum......and then he will buy real power with the money he saved? OK....you can't save em all. FORE! I’d get as much outta grid power at camp as you’d get out of a fish house in Arizona.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 27, 2021 15:41:00 GMT -6
$500 / year lost for the advantage of electric power is but a pittance in the big picture. Think about what you spent on a gas refrigerator, batteries, panels, framing, 12 volt electric wiring and chit. You could be sipping a cold beverage and watching Sasha on big screen tv in air conditioned comfort while KBB soaks in a hot tub. Com-mon' man....give me a break.
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 27, 2021 16:59:23 GMT -6
$500 / year lost for the advantage of electric power is but a pittance in the big picture. Think about what you spent on a gas refrigerator, batteries, panels, framing, 12 volt electric wiring and chit. You could be sipping a cold beverage and watching Sasha on big screen tv in air conditioned comfort while KBB soaks in a hot tub. Com-mon' man....give me a break. Some day it will happen. It’s just not important yet. I can watch tv at home. But until there is a fish pond and flail mower, there won’t be any grid. Blowing air into the pond will likely be the catalyst for grid if and when it comes time. Can’t say any more than that though. It classified from there.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 27, 2021 18:12:37 GMT -6
$500 / year lost for the advantage of electric power is but a pittance in the big picture. Think about what you spent on a gas refrigerator, batteries, panels, framing, 12 volt electric wiring and chit. You could be sipping a cold beverage and watching Sasha on big screen tv in air conditioned comfort while KBB soaks in a hot tub. Com-mon' man....give me a break. Some day it will happen. It’s just not important yet. I can watch tv at home. But until there is a fish pond and flail mower, there won’t be any grid. Blowing air into the pond will likely be the catalyst for grid if and when it comes time. Can’t say any more than that though. It classified from there. Missing TV ain’t missing much.
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Post by Bob on Jan 27, 2021 20:59:05 GMT -6
Some day it will happen. It’s just not important yet. I can watch tv at home. But until there is a fish pond and flail mower, there won’t be any grid. Blowing air into the pond will likely be the catalyst for grid if and when it comes time. Can’t say any more than that though. It classified from there. Missing TV ain’t missing much. If Tesla can bring Skynet Starlink online, everything will change anyway.
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 27, 2021 21:28:35 GMT -6
Blowing air into water can be done with solar. Air-conditioning is on my list of things I don't want to do without ever again. I've had a lot of hot/sweaty/sleepless nights that I have no interest in repeating. I also like to weld...
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Post by benmnwi on Jan 27, 2021 21:50:02 GMT -6
I put a central AC in at my cabin last year. it isn't really needed, but it sure makes summer weekends a lot more enjoyable.
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 28, 2021 0:36:13 GMT -6
What if Lee was planning to go solar-off-grid with no water or A/C. Now you guys have laid down all this peer pressure.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 28, 2021 4:26:02 GMT -6
What if Lee was planning to go solar-off-grid with no water or A/C. Now you guys have laid down all this peer pressure. If Lee goes that way, it sounds like he should be the leader of a nut house..... maybe he is? This group?
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 28, 2021 6:14:01 GMT -6
We almost went completely off grid when we built 5yrs ago. Solar would have been quite the project but we had it figured out down to how much we would have to save per month to have cash for battery replacement down the road. It would not have been the preferred option but it would have sure been doable.
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Post by Tooln on Jan 28, 2021 7:11:38 GMT -6
Don't need grid or solar to put air into a pond. It's called a windmill.
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 28, 2021 12:25:01 GMT -6
Don't need grid or solar to put air into a pond. It's called a windmill. Careful. Thinking like that will have you eventually discover you don't need a welder to attract and kill a deer either.
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Post by leexrayshady on Mar 2, 2021 14:13:24 GMT -6
well got the quote back on our house build, $357,000
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