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Post by 2zwudz on Nov 22, 2020 20:17:52 GMT -6
I have a three year old clover plot that is getting too much grass in it. What and when do I spray to eliminate the grass? What water mixture do I spray as to not kill the clover??
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Post by benmnwi on Nov 22, 2020 20:36:40 GMT -6
Clethodim will kill grass and not clover. You would need to look on the directions, but I believe it is about an ounce of clethodim and an ounce of crop oil per gallon of water. That ends up being 12-16 oz of clethodim and crop oil per acre.
Clethodim needs crop oil to work well, so don't skip that. It takes longer to work than other herbicides. But if you spray it on actively growing grass it will die.
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Post by Catscratch on Nov 22, 2020 20:44:00 GMT -6
What he said ^^^.
I tend to be different than most guys and just start over when grass starts getting too thick. I like diversity. I've found that once grass has gotten thick that a clover in my mix has won out and it's turning into a monoculture. Nuke the whole thing and start fresh.
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Post by 2zwudz on Nov 23, 2020 9:14:21 GMT -6
What he said ^^^. I tend to be different than most guys and just start over when grass starts getting too thick. I like diversity. I've found that once grass has gotten thick that a clover in my mix has won out and it's turning into a monoculture. Nuke the whole thing and start fresh. When is it best time to nuke the whole thing and after nuking how should I prepare the soil?? In the past I have been plowing and tilling in Late August but I’m looking for better methods. I do pay attention to ph and fertilizer needs.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 23, 2020 9:19:48 GMT -6
What he said ^^^. I tend to be different than most guys and just start over when grass starts getting too thick. I like diversity. I've found that once grass has gotten thick that a clover in my mix has won out and it's turning into a monoculture. Nuke the whole thing and start fresh. When is it best time to nuke the whole thing and after nuking how should I prepare the soil?? In the past I have been plowing and tilling in Late August but I’m looking for better methods. I do pay attention to ph and fertilizer needs. What kind of soil do you have?
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Post by Catscratch on Nov 23, 2020 9:58:12 GMT -6
I typically do my clover plots in the fall. I have quit tilling and just do throw-n-mow. TnM works well for me, but it isn't for everyone. When I was tilling I spent years going after that perfect seed bed for small seeds, in the end I found I could broadcast seed into a well disced field and let the rain plant it. If I were you I would go ahead and spray cleth this spring when the grass is fresh and growing, then spend the summer deciding if you want to start new and how you plan on doing it.
If you are interested in mixes do some research on them. I like 8-12 (or more) species; white/red clovers and winter peas (legumes), cereal grains such as wheat and winter rye (nitrogen lovers), chicory, alfalfa, and some brassicas (late planted brassicas don't always have time to make a tuber but grazing varieties are good too).
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Post by kabic on Nov 23, 2020 10:56:12 GMT -6
If grass is an issue to much nitrogen in the soil? Light spraying of roundup to kill grass and slow clover down. Seed in some Brassica to suck up the nitrogen, next spring clover rebounds?
Where is that damn cat that knows soil science.
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Post by Bob on Nov 23, 2020 12:16:19 GMT -6
Our model ain't proven yet. We get to 5 years without spraying and that thing is still solid clover, we'll go on tour.
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Post by 2zwudz on Nov 23, 2020 12:41:42 GMT -6
I typically do my clover plots in the fall. I have quit tilling and just do throw-n-mow. TnM works well for me, but it isn't for everyone. When I was tilling I spent years going after that perfect seed bed for small seeds, in the end I found I could broadcast seed into a well disced field and let the rain plant it. If I were you I would go ahead and spray cleth this spring when the grass is fresh and growing, then spend the summer deciding if you want to start new and how you plan on doing it. If you are interested in mixes do some research on them. I like 8-12 (or more) species; white/red clovers and winter peas (legumes), cereal grains such as wheat and winter rye (nitrogen lovers), chicory, alfalfa, and some brassicas (late planted brassicas don't always have time to make a tuber but grazing varieties are good too). Should I take the chance and frost seed this winter then spray for grass when it starts to grow???
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Post by Catscratch on Nov 23, 2020 13:03:50 GMT -6
I typically do my clover plots in the fall. I have quit tilling and just do throw-n-mow. TnM works well for me, but it isn't for everyone. When I was tilling I spent years going after that perfect seed bed for small seeds, in the end I found I could broadcast seed into a well disced field and let the rain plant it. If I were you I would go ahead and spray cleth this spring when the grass is fresh and growing, then spend the summer deciding if you want to start new and how you plan on doing it. If you are interested in mixes do some research on them. I like 8-12 (or more) species; white/red clovers and winter peas (legumes), cereal grains such as wheat and winter rye (nitrogen lovers), chicory, alfalfa, and some brassicas (late planted brassicas don't always have time to make a tuber but grazing varieties are good too). Should I take the chance and frost seed this winter then spray for grass when it starts to grow??? I don't know that answer as frost seeding is something that has not worked well for me, someone else on here probably knows though.
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Post by badgerfowl on Nov 23, 2020 13:26:36 GMT -6
Should I take the chance and frost seed this winter then spray for grass when it starts to grow??? I don't know that answer as frost seeding is something that has not worked well for me, someone else on here probably knows though. Do you even have frost in the land of Oz?
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Post by Catscratch on Nov 23, 2020 13:36:06 GMT -6
I don't know that answer as frost seeding is something that has not worked well for me, someone else on here probably knows though. Do you even have frost in the land of Oz? I think we got a frost once... I got distracted when a giant buck walked by. It was gone when the sun came up.
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Post by 2zwudz on Nov 23, 2020 13:54:57 GMT -6
I don't know that answer as frost seeding is something that has not worked well for me, someone else on here probably knows though. Do you even have frost in the land of Oz? Had frost this morning!
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Post by Reagan on Nov 23, 2020 14:06:38 GMT -6
Do you even have frost in the land of Oz? Had frost this morning! So what part of the world do you hail from? If you are getting frost it makes me think you might be a bit south of the majority of these folks that think winter starts in October. If that is the case, bonus points! We welcome newbies. Stick around long enough and we might let you join our secret society. You will just have to overlook the pussy cat that thinks he is in charge. Don’t all cats think that? If it were me, I’d frost seed some clover in Feb or March. If a light spray controls the grass you are that much ahead. If you need to do a complete nuke and restart, it just wasted a little seed money.
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Post by 2zwudz on Nov 23, 2020 14:27:53 GMT -6
So what part of the world do you hail from? If you are getting frost it makes me think you might be a bit south of the majority of these folks that think winter starts in October. If that is the case, bonus points! We welcome newbies. Stick around long enough and we might let you join our secret society. You will just have to overlook the pussy cat that thinks he is in charge. Don’t all cats think that? If it were me, I’d frost seed some clover in Feb or March. If a light spray controls the grass you are that much ahead. If you need to do a complete nuke and restart, it just wasted a little seed money. West central Illinois?
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