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Post by Foggy on Mar 16, 2017 9:16:23 GMT -6
It would seem to me a guy with a small welding shop should be able to spit out small quantities of these disks (Like the Roth Loyal) for a fair price.....and sell 'em direct. Somebody is missing the boat on this?
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 16, 2017 10:02:04 GMT -6
It would seem to me a guy with a small welding shop should be able to spit out small quantities of these disks (Like the Roth Loyal) for a fair price.....and sell 'em direct. Somebody is missing the boat on this? This might be a good thing for Jim to think about. A line of these type of tools. Seems if you built jigs and earned some know-how you could produce these at a reasonable cost. Attend some shows and get your name out there and maybe a few bucks could be made.
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Post by Tooln on Mar 16, 2017 10:57:48 GMT -6
Brads right roth Loyal are not made any longer. The Tartergate that Tom mentions looks to be built just like the Roth/Loyal. The Roth is built like a tank anad works without added weight. I have one but haven't used it in a few years since I bought the tractor and tiller. I've though about selling it but really am having a hard time doing so. I know I'll never get another and I thoughts of using it to disk down strips in my WR and seed it in beans/corn. By the way I drive by where they were built every night on the way to work.
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Post by badbrad on Mar 16, 2017 11:18:09 GMT -6
Brads right roth Loyal are not made any longer. The Tartergate that Tom mentions looks to be built just like the Roth/Loyal. The Roth is built like a tank anad works without added weight. I have one but haven't used it in a few years since I bought the tractor and tiller. I've though about selling it but really am having a hard time doing so. I know I'll never get another and I thoughts of using it to disk down strips in my WR and seed it in beans/corn. By the way I drive by where they were built every night on the way to work.
I will never sell mine either. Especially in the type of soil I am in. I anticipate there will plots I won't be able to get into with a tractor. Or maybe we have a wet year and I can with a quad but not a tractor. Its just a great back up plan and like you say once you get rid of it you are not getting it back.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 16, 2017 11:29:42 GMT -6
It would seem to me a guy with a small welding shop should be able to spit out small quantities of these disks (Like the Roth Loyal) for a fair price.....and sell 'em direct. Somebody is missing the boat on this? This might be a good thing for Jim to think about. A line of these type of tools. Seems if you built jigs and earned some know-how you could produce these at a reasonable cost. Attend some shows and get your name out there and maybe a few bucks could be made. ^ YEP. A small-time operator could build about say 10 or 20 disk frames at a time. Paint 'em and store 'em. Then buy the blades and bearings and hardware for about 5 disks at a time and assemble 'em and crate a few for delivery. Make a website and GOOD videos to show the operation. Sell direct only to cut out the middle-men......and offer a somewhat attractive price......with super quality. Spend time on boards like this to get the word out.....and attend a few deer seminars......could even attend with a disk on the trailer parked at a strategic spot and not spend any booth money. <---- do lots of stuff like this. Have a decent piece of literature with key facts and have stuff ready to ship. All cash in advance or credit cards (charge 3% for cards). No credit to anyone. Don't apologize for the price.....make your items worth the price you ask.....and folks will buy it. Over time one can increase the price to what the market will bear. That is how companies like Herd and others are able to prosper with even inflated prices. MAKE GOOD STUFF.....and gain a great rep....then you can charge a decent price and get a fair margin on those products. The last thing I would do would be to race for the bottom price tier of the market. I'd rather apologize for my price than for my quality. (I kinda like that slogan!) If I were some years younger and needed to start a biz.....I may follow this plan above. Do it in my spare time while I worked for someone else.....and after one product was going.....add another......and more until I could quit my day job. That is kinda how I did Stoney Point. I didnt quit my job for about a year after beginning to sell my wares. Even took vacation at the SHOT Show.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 16, 2017 11:41:42 GMT -6
^ If a guy could figure out how to sell about 300 units of good widgets each year.....that sold for about $800 per copy....AND could keep your labor and materials to less than say about 50% - that would give you about $240,000 of gross profit - to pay yourself and pay for your shop overhead. Not a bad start. That may take about 5 solid products (these numbers occurred to me while staring into the sun) to accomplish for a small operator.....but it's do-able with a good plan and a little American ingenuity. Likely could "job-out" many of these things with a solid engineered product. (Welding shops do this sort of thing cheaper than "we" might do 'em..... but you gotta have good plans and specs) I can think of any number of guys on this site that could pull this off.......and keep the risks down. FORE!!
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Post by kabic on Mar 16, 2017 17:25:28 GMT -6
My question is if the Loyal was so good why did they stop making them...people not buying?
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Post by Foggy on Mar 16, 2017 17:59:13 GMT -6
My question is if the Loyal was so good why did they stop making them...people not buying? Likely not a big enough number for a company their size? That becomes a problem for companies that get too big.......the small items just don't cut it.....and are not worth your time to babysit 'em. That is one reason the small time operator can still find a niitch in the world......IMO.
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Post by smallchunk on Mar 16, 2017 18:12:08 GMT -6
Another one that would be a big hit would be an atv cultipacker! I keep on thinking that I'm going to build one and just can't find the time!
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Post by Foggy on Mar 16, 2017 18:20:41 GMT -6
^ Yep, and a lime spreader would sell pretty well too. I also think a 5 or 6 foot wide field cultivator would be huge. cheap to make.....and nobody offers a three point or pull type for a wheeler.....of any quality that I have seen. Ford and Dearbprm and Massey used to sell the hell out of those small field cultivators.....and they are like gold today. Not that difficult to build....IMO.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 16, 2017 18:27:51 GMT -6
...........then too....a small 48" single cylinder operated (QD) Cllam-style root rake would about fits the bill. Markhan and Gator used to make some good ones.....but their are others. Gotta be smart......and make good stuff that is well engineered and simple / strong. Then....there are loader mounted snow plows to be built.
Too many odd-ball items out there. If a guy listens......and pays attention to the details.......the customers will tell you what is needed.....and sources like TBN have what you are looking for.
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Post by biglakebass on Mar 16, 2017 20:01:42 GMT -6
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Post by badbrad on Mar 17, 2017 6:35:30 GMT -6
My question is if the Loyal was so good why did they stop making them...people not buying?
I talked to the owner of the company about it and he said just could not sell enough of them to make it worth his while. Sucks.
Too many people buy the KK Fleet farm model for half the price and add weight.
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Post by kabic on Mar 17, 2017 11:28:27 GMT -6
Here is a place in MN I think that does have small cultipackers omni-mfg.com/Cultipackers-C110177.aspx?sid=10512I have seen many of the items Foggy mentions for sale that would fit my 1 series, but the are so expensive I just cant justify them for how much I would used them.
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Post by kabic on Mar 17, 2017 11:34:56 GMT -6
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