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Post by badbrad on Apr 13, 2021 7:38:02 GMT -6
Was Standing pines. Dude logged it and left all the tops. If left untouched what can I expect this to look like in a few years ? How about 10 years ? This is the sandy ground.   This is what the stand looked like before logging  |
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Post by smsmith on Apr 13, 2021 7:46:29 GMT -6
Lord knows I ain't foggy...
Pine slash breaks down very slowly. All that sap/resin acts like a preservative. In 5 years there will still be limbs the size of your wrist and larger pretty much intact. In 10 years that stuff will be breaking down, but there will still be stuff there. Sand doesn't have a lot of microbial activity either. What kind of re-gen will be there depends on what the area has had for mature trees/shrubs/weeds/etc. the last decade or so. I think I see some fire (pin) cherries still in the area, if they are that will likely be some of the earliest re-gen.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 13, 2021 8:03:36 GMT -6
If that were here in NH that would be filled with blackberries and raspberries in a year or two.
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Post by Foggy on Apr 13, 2021 8:47:14 GMT -6
I had an area like that and asked my logger the same question. He said that if I didn't get the slash off there it wold be lots of scraggly brush and later a jack pine stand would likely evolve. I got much of the slash off the land......but have not finishd the "would be" plot area yet. It's lots of raspberries and some volunteer pines (jack and red) at this point......and I continue to work the edges on it when time permits.
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Post by badbrad on Apr 13, 2021 9:23:47 GMT -6
I had an area like that and asked my logger the same question. He said that if I didn't get the slash off there it wold be lots of scraggly brush and later a jack pine stand would likely evolve. I got much of the slash off the land......but have not finishd the "would be" plot area yet. It's lots of raspberries and some volunteer pines (jack and red) at this point......and I continue to work the edges on it when time permits. I've been cleaning up and burning as much as I can get to easy with the tractor. There are going to be a lot of areas it will be hard to / unsafe to get to and move through. Uneven ground, hidden stumps etc makes it tough. I've started working off the perimeter that I can easier get to but there is just so much trash and it is so slow going to make sure I don't whack something / roll over that I'm just contemplating letting it go. I guess the big question for me is resale value in 8-10 years when we dump this place. Asking myself if I spend the money and hire a dozer and replant pines and then hopefully get more when we sell or will it not be money well spent. I like the deer aspect. Some soccer mom might not like how that looks? |
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Post by badbrad on Apr 13, 2021 9:27:59 GMT -6
My spare time lately.  |
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Post by badbrad on Apr 13, 2021 9:32:39 GMT -6
I had an area like that and asked my logger the same question. He said that if I didn't get the slash off there it wold be lots of scraggly brush and later a jack pine stand would likely evolve. I got much of the slash off the land......but have not finishd the "would be" plot area yet. It's lots of raspberries and some volunteer pines (jack and red) at this point......and I continue to work the edges on it when time permits. I assume deer really like it? How long before it became good habitat? |
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Post by smsmith on Apr 13, 2021 10:30:54 GMT -6
I had an area like that and asked my logger the same question. He said that if I didn't get the slash off there it wold be lots of scraggly brush and later a jack pine stand would likely evolve. I got much of the slash off the land......but have not finishd the "would be" plot area yet. It's lots of raspberries and some volunteer pines (jack and red) at this point......and I continue to work the edges on it when time permits. I've been cleaning up and burning as much as I can get to easy with the tractor. There are going to be a lot of areas it will be hard to / unsafe to get to and move through. Uneven ground, hidden stumps etc makes it tough. I've started working off the perimeter that I can easier get to but there is just so much trash and it is so slow going to make sure I don't whack something / roll over that I'm just contemplating letting it go. I guess the big question for me is resale value in 8-10 years when we dump this place. Asking myself if I spend the money and hire a dozer and replant pines and then hopefully get more when we sell or will it not be money well spent. I like the deer aspect. Some soccer mom might not like how that looks?It seems most non-deer hunting folks like a neat and orderly woods. Stuff all over the forest floor is definitely not a plus for those people |
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Post by badbrad on Apr 13, 2021 10:40:37 GMT -6
I've been cleaning up and burning as much as I can get to easy with the tractor. There are going to be a lot of areas it will be hard to / unsafe to get to and move through. Uneven ground, hidden stumps etc makes it tough. I've started working off the perimeter that I can easier get to but there is just so much trash and it is so slow going to make sure I don't whack something / roll over that I'm just contemplating letting it go. I guess the big question for me is resale value in 8-10 years when we dump this place. Asking myself if I spend the money and hire a dozer and replant pines and then hopefully get more when we sell or will it not be money well spent. I like the deer aspect. Some soccer mom might not like how that looks?It seems most non-deer hunting folks like a neat and orderly woods. Stuff all over the forest floor is definitely not a plus for those people Yep. But, trying to weigh if I spend money to make it look like that if I will get that back out and hopefully more in resale value. Make sense? |
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Post by sd51555 on Apr 13, 2021 10:43:30 GMT -6
How many acres of that is there?
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Post by smsmith on Apr 13, 2021 10:50:07 GMT -6
It seems most non-deer hunting folks like a neat and orderly woods. Stuff all over the forest floor is definitely not a plus for those people Yep. But, trying to weigh if I spend money to make it look like that if I will get that back out and hopefully more in resale value. Make sense? Yep, I understand what you're saying. Will you get it back out and more? I don't know. I'd lean towards "no" but that's just a guess. |
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Post by kabic on Apr 13, 2021 11:03:54 GMT -6
Do pines survive a subsrcibed burn, just burn it all 👿
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 13, 2021 11:13:17 GMT -6
‘Sand’ ground varies from wet sand to dry, blow sand. Different pH’s and organic content. It is probably low pH if pines were growing there.
My suggestion, is get a soil map and identify the soil type. Then go to a local state forestry office and ask the oldest guy there what to expect. Ask him where you can see several locations that were handled similarly, at 5 and 10 years ago.
What was the original cover of that area? Short grass prairie, pine barrens, oak barrens? Is it a man created sand pit?
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 13, 2021 11:17:08 GMT -6
On low organic, dry sand I suspect regrowth is very dependent on a series of wet years to get Woody cover re-established. And one fire can wipe it out for awhile.
I see our Anoka Sand plain being short grass prairie, probably oak savannah depending on available moisture, and Jack pine barrens on the north end. It all depends. Too hot and dry for jack pines and oaks or not.
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 13, 2021 11:39:33 GMT -6
If you have any Jack Pine limbs with cones, throw the limbs on the edge of your burn pile while burning. The cones will open up and you should get pockets of Jack Pine seedlings. Too hot of fire destroys the seed.
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