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Post by sd51555 on Oct 22, 2021 20:11:55 GMT -6
I never read it. I did find it on amazon for $7, so I just ordered a copy. I have taken most of my learnings from 3 women. Elaine Ingham Kristine Nichols Christine Jones I never discovered any of this. I just adapted others ideas to what I needed to accomplish. Except gypsum, barley, the leaf blower, and unpublished secret #4. Those are mine. Read it So much of what's being discussed now as "cutting edge" stuff is what Leopold was telling us back in the 40s. A lot of what he wrote in this 30s actually. Quit fucking shit up. edit...where the fuck is wiscwhip when a guy needs him? You can back even further than that. Washington and Jefferson were talking about everything being fucked up in colonial times.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 22, 2021 20:13:17 GMT -6
What's most imperative here is that none of us (except Mo that I know of) are farming to make money. The buffalo till system is fantastic for plotters. I am a bit dubious about Dr. Woods and this system since he was advocating continuous tillage of manure not long ago, but hey...whatever. He figured out how to make some serious money off the no-till/spray&pray/whatever methods that were being discussed on the old Q forums at least 15 years ago. More power to him. Bottom line. Don't fuck up your soil. Put more in than you take out. Kind of like life. I don’t have a whole lot of trust in many of these deer experts, and the further they live or hunt from my types of environment, the less I listen to them. Rut predictions are all over the board, hot food plot seeds, hunting tactics, Mineral mixes, scent products, and even apple tree varieties( but I am a sucker for apples). Years of the QDMA forum have led to my present skepticism. There is only one deer expert that I have some faith in.
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Post by smsmith on Oct 22, 2021 20:20:48 GMT -6
Read it So much of what's being discussed now as "cutting edge" stuff is what Leopold was telling us back in the 40s. A lot of what he wrote in this 30s actually. Quit fucking shit up. edit...where the fuck is wiscwhip when a guy needs him? You can back even further than that. Washington and Jefferson were talking about everything being fucked up in colonial times. Ok. Read Leopold and if you can't find commonality all these years later, then so be it. There's a reason he's known as the father of modern wildlife ecology. I don't agree with everything he wrote...but the guy knew what he was doing/talking about. Go check out where he lived sometime if you're ever in the area. It was/is some challenging soil. All my buddies and I took Ecology in high school. We could chew and walk around while harvesting wildflower/NWSG seed and discuss Leopold
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Post by Freeborn on Oct 22, 2021 20:28:34 GMT -6
I have to shake my head on some of this as it implies that tillage is the death to successful food-plotting. I think I could continue to till and plant corn and beans, using inputs and herbicide and have terrific plots that I can kill deer over. Weedy corn and beans are still attractive and I only have to keep an inventory of two free seeds. Oh, maybe 3 seeds as I over-seed with rye. Maybe my pencil is dull but for food-plotting the marginal return on some of this is minimal and for the most part I think people do this because it interests them not because it results in significant food plot improvement. Yeah....kinda sorta.....but farmers that have done this long enough in environmentally sensitive areas are losing so much top soil to erosion (from wind and water) that it will take centuries in many cases to restore these soils to their previous fertility. Then too....we are relying so heavily on herbicides and fertilizers that we are contaminating our groundwaters at an alarming rate. It's not sustainable as our population grows. We all need to become better stewards of this land. Just think.....30 years ago NOBODY used Roundup! NOW? I can envision the times coming when you will not be able to apply the chemicals to the land that you are using today. You will need a licensed applicator and lots of red tape to do these things. Changes are afoot according to some farmers I have talked to. Much of the best topsoils of the midwest are now in the Gulf of Mexico. Sad. Be warned. Sounds a bit far fetched you say?......I beg to differ. Keep in mind I did say food plotting not commercial agriculture.
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Post by Foggy on Oct 22, 2021 20:30:35 GMT -6
I don’t have a whole lot of trust in many of these deer experts, and the further they live or hunt from my types of environment, the less I listen to them. Rut predictions are all over the board, hot food plot seeds, hunting tactics, Mineral mixes, scent products, and even apple tree varieties( but I am a sucker for apples). Years of the QDMA forum have led to my present skepticism. There is only one deer expert that I have some faith in.Art? Foggy? (don't go religious on us here ART!). .
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 23, 2021 4:21:40 GMT -6
Foggy? (don't go religious on us here ART!). . For some reason I have faith in Steve Bartylla. I feel he is somewhat familiar with environs that I hunt. He also admits that he has been wrong and will continue to make mistakes. He does have to push a few of his sponsors products. They all do. I guess Steve is the only ‘expert’ that I have visited with for a period of time. I just like and trust the guy. That might be the simplest explanation. Dr Deer telling me what apple trees to plant? I don’t even look at the link. Drury’s I used to watch a bit but they don’t hunt pressure like we do. Texas experts are in a different world. Many of the National QDMA leaders also are in a different world. Too much hype with a lot of the current and even past ‘experts’.
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Post by caveman on Oct 23, 2021 4:32:50 GMT -6
I have to shake my head on some of this as it implies that tillage is the death to successful food-plotting. I think I could continue to till and plant corn and beans, using inputs and herbicide and have terrific plots that I can kill deer over. Weedy corn and beans are still attractive and I only have to keep an inventory of two free seeds. Oh, maybe 3 seeds as I over-seed with rye. Maybe my pencil is dull but for food-plotting the marginal return on some of this is minimal and for the most part I think people do this because it interests them not because it results in significant food plot improvement. Yeah....kinda sorta.....but farmers that have done this long enough in environmentally sensitive areas are losing so much top soil to erosion (from wind and water) that it will take centuries in many cases to restore these soils to their previous fertility. Then too....we are relying so heavily on herbicides and fertilizers that we are contaminating our groundwaters at an alarming rate. It's not sustainable as our population grows. We all need to become better stewards of this land. Just think..... 30 years ago NOBODY used Roundup! NOW?I can envision the times coming when you will not be able to apply the chemicals to the land that you are using today. You will need a licensed applicator and lots of red tape to do these things. Changes are afoot according to some farmers I have talked to. Much of the best topsoils of the midwest are now in the Gulf of Mexico. Sad. Be warned. Sounds a bit far fetched you say?......I beg to differ. The Great Joe Rogan and a guest talked Round-up and other chemical use recently. Now is getting to be like 30 years ago, hardly any round-up used any more as it isn't potent enough, and now the old nasty chemicals are being used, and new nastier ones too.
6:00 minutes in for the meat and potatoes of the vid.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 23, 2021 4:54:17 GMT -6
I have to shake my head on some of this as it implies that tillage is the death to successful food-plotting. I think I could continue to till and plant corn and beans, using inputs and herbicide and have terrific plots that I can kill deer over. Weedy corn and beans are still attractive and I only have to keep an inventory of two free seeds. Oh, maybe 3 seeds as I over-seed with rye. Maybe my pencil is dull but for food-plotting the marginal return on some of this is minimal and for the most part I think people do this because it interests them not because it results in significant food plot improvement. Yeah....kinda sorta.....but farmers that have done this long enough in environmentally sensitive areas are losing so much top soil to erosion (from wind and water) that it will take centuries in many cases to restore these soils to their previous fertility. Then too....we are relying so heavily on herbicides and fertilizers that we are contaminating our groundwaters at an alarming rate. It's not sustainable as our population grows. We all need to become better stewards of this land. Just think.....30 years ago NOBODY used Roundup! NOW? I can envision the times coming when you will not be able to apply the chemicals to the land that you are using today. You will need a licensed applicator and lots of red tape to do these things. Changes are afoot according to some farmers I have talked to. Much of the best topsoils of the midwest are now in the Gulf of Mexico. Sad. Be warned. Sounds a bit far fetched you say?......I beg to differ. Most farms that I am aware of have one family member or specific employee who has undergone the training for chemical use. I imagine there are different classes of chemicals with different degrees of licenses.
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Post by kooch on Oct 23, 2021 7:10:47 GMT -6
It's like you're taking Aldo Leopold, tweaking it a bit and making it a statement/idea of your own. Maybe "A Sand County Almanac" should be required reading for everybody on any wildlife related forum I never read it. I did find it on amazon for $7, so I just ordered a copy. I have taken most of my learnings from 3 women. Elaine Ingham Kristine Nichols Christine Jones I never discovered any of this. I just adapted others ideas to what I needed to accomplish. Except gypsum, barley, the leaf blower, and unpublished secret #4. Those are mine. Don’t even try and rip off my secret techniques. Impact Broadcast Planting FOREVER!!!
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Post by kooch on Oct 23, 2021 7:12:58 GMT -6
You can back even further than that. Washington and Jefferson were talking about everything being fucked up in colonial times. Ok. Read Leopold and if you can't find commonality all these years later, then so be it. There's a reason he's known as the father of modern wildlife ecology. I don't agree with everything he wrote...but the guy knew what he was doing/talking about. Go check out where he lived sometime if you're ever in the area. It was/is some challenging soil. All my buddies and I took Ecology in high school. We could chew and walk around while harvesting wildflower/NWSG seed and discuss Leopold My favorite chapter is when he’s cutting down the old tree, checking the rings, and thinking about the years. Great book. Honestly SD, I’m stunned that you have not read it.
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Post by Bob on Oct 23, 2021 7:19:03 GMT -6
I never read it. I did find it on amazon for $7, so I just ordered a copy. I have taken most of my learnings from 3 women. Elaine Ingham Kristine Nichols Christine Jones I never discovered any of this. I just adapted others ideas to what I needed to accomplish. Except gypsum, barley, the leaf blower, and unpublished secret #4. Those are mine. Don’t even try and rip off my secret techniques. Impact Broadcast Planting FOREVER!!!
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Post by sd51555 on Oct 23, 2021 7:29:11 GMT -6
Ok. Read Leopold and if you can't find commonality all these years later, then so be it. There's a reason he's known as the father of modern wildlife ecology. I don't agree with everything he wrote...but the guy knew what he was doing/talking about. Go check out where he lived sometime if you're ever in the area. It was/is some challenging soil. All my buddies and I took Ecology in high school. We could chew and walk around while harvesting wildflower/NWSG seed and discuss Leopold My favorite chapter is when he’s cutting down the old tree, checking the rings, and thinking about the years. Great book. Honestly SD, I’m stunned that you have not read it. That book has been written so many times, a person can't read them all. Every book I've ever read or speaker I've listened to references 5 more, and I get one of those, and it mentions 5 more, and so on, and so on. We've been fighting the abundance/collapse cycle since man first walked the flat earth. Times are good, we breed up to capacity and then there's a hickup. Then we've got to have a war or a cull. Right now we're in an abundance of calories coupled with a malnutrition problem, and they somehow remain disconnected. It will sort itself out. Most recently I picked up a book from the Weston A Price Foundation on nutrition and physical degeneration. I didn't realize it was the cliff notes, but still a great read. The rona has really given a boost to a shift in how we eat. If the near collapse of the food supply hasn't woke anyone up to the need to take a role in feeding ourselves, they're doomed to duke it out with the masses up town when the shit hits the fan again, and it most certainly will.
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Post by kooch on Oct 23, 2021 7:29:52 GMT -6
Treat yourself. Try some fiction for a change.
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Post by sd51555 on Oct 23, 2021 7:34:48 GMT -6
Treat yourself. Try some fiction for a change. I can trade you a book of Japanese and Korean studies of plant interactions and allelopathy if you want? I have a hard time with fiction. If I ain't learning, I get distracted.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 23, 2021 16:18:18 GMT -6
Ok. Read Leopold and if you can't find commonality all these years later, then so be it. There's a reason he's known as the father of modern wildlife ecology. I don't agree with everything he wrote...but the guy knew what he was doing/talking about. Go check out where he lived sometime if you're ever in the area. It was/is some challenging soil. All my buddies and I took Ecology in high school. We could chew and walk around while harvesting wildflower/NWSG seed and discuss Leopold My favorite chapter is when he’s cutting down the old tree, checking the rings, and thinking about the years. Great book. Honestly SD, I’m stunned that you have not read it. I have to dig my copy out again.
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