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Post by ogemaone on Mar 22, 2017 18:06:17 GMT -6
I see Cummins has a few liberty apples on M111. Any pros or cons on M111?
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Post by smsmith on Mar 22, 2017 18:14:35 GMT -6
Pros 75%-85% the size of a standard tree probably best rootstock for damp and/or heavy soil doesn't need staking for the life of the tree
Cons Prone to burr knots (may increase attraction to borers) puts on lots of wood before beginning to bear fruit
That's what comes to mind right off the bat
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Post by ogemaone on Mar 22, 2017 18:18:24 GMT -6
Does anyone have liberty in their orchards in our neck of the woods. Will they grow in 3B zone?
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Post by coop on Mar 22, 2017 18:54:53 GMT -6
Liberty grow great in 4b. I've got some buddies in 3b with 3rd leaf liberties, they seem to be doing well.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 22, 2017 19:01:34 GMT -6
Liberty will be borderline long term in 3b. I've got several here that are on 2nd and 3rd leaf, I hope they make it long term but I won't be shocked if they don't.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 22, 2017 19:05:23 GMT -6
I have one that might be 4th leaf and some younger. Time will tell.
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Post by ogemaone on Mar 22, 2017 19:08:44 GMT -6
Thanks guys
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 22, 2017 20:23:53 GMT -6
I worked several old standard apple trees this weekend up at the top of a 14' tripod ladder. Some were still 10-15' above me that had areas I couldn't reach. The size of a M111 (15-18') should be fine to produce plenty of apples for you and will be easier to work with longer term.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 22, 2017 20:28:43 GMT -6
I see they have a few Enterprise on B118. Do you have any of them?
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Post by smsmith on Mar 22, 2017 20:29:16 GMT -6
I wouldn't hesitate to plant a few Liberty on 111 in 3b. I wouldn't plant much more than that until I knew how they did on my specific location for a period of years.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 22, 2017 20:38:40 GMT -6
On planting the M111 you want to plant that graft union just above the ground. Maybe an inch or so. I can vouch on the bur knots growing on them. I had several bench grafts on M111 that I stored in moist sawdust waiting to plant. 5-6 developed the bur knots. I planted them deep so they should be ok. On the other hand I believe they'd do great in stool beds as it seems they'd root very easily. The B118 rootstock didn't develop the bur knots.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 22, 2017 20:44:43 GMT -6
I have two Liberty on B118 that are on their 4th leaf and doing fine. I'm in 3B and on dry sandy soil. I would give them a try.
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Post by ogemaone on Mar 23, 2017 5:03:03 GMT -6
I see they have a few Enterprise on B118. Do you have any of them? I do not, those are on my list for next year.
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Post by ogemaone on Mar 23, 2017 9:21:58 GMT -6
I see they have a few Enterprise on B118. Do you have any of them? From what I see online enterprise are zone 4-7. Any of you guys grow them in 3b?
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Post by smsmith on Mar 23, 2017 9:28:20 GMT -6
I don't have any Enterprise (or Gold Rush for that matter). It's another borderline hardy tree in 4a/3b. Probably worth trying a tree or two and see what happens. I think part of the issue with Enterprise is that it may not ripen most years in shorter season (4a and below) zones. That isn't a big deal for deer, but if you're wanting them for humans too...it may be an odd year to have them fully ripen. Gold Rush is even later ripening (I think)
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