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Post by MoBuckChaser on Sept 21, 2022 5:55:25 GMT -6
I suppose any of us who don't want to pay extra via a tip have an easy solution, just don't go out. With dining/drinking prices what they are, that is probably the best solution. I don’t like people is the main reason I don’t go out. Our golf course bar has food and is 2 miles of gravel road home to avoid the law. Don’t want my name in the crime report anymore either. |
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Post by smsmith on Sept 21, 2022 6:09:48 GMT -6
I suppose any of us who don't want to pay extra via a tip have an easy solution, just don't go out. With dining/drinking prices what they are, that is probably the best solution. I don’t like people is the main reason I don’t go out. Our golf course bar has food and is 2 miles of gravel road home to avoid the law. Don’t want my name in the crime report anymore either. A few of the local guys tell me the county boys are spending more and more time on the dirt roads. I haven't seen any when we're out in the Ranger yet, but I imagine it's just a matter of time. |
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Sept 21, 2022 6:18:28 GMT -6
I don’t like people is the main reason I don’t go out. Our golf course bar has food and is 2 miles of gravel road home to avoid the law. Don’t want my name in the crime report anymore either. A few of the local guys tell me the county boys are spending more and more time on the dirt roads. I haven't seen any when we're out in the Ranger yet, but I imagine it's just a matter of time. The sheriff and the former sheriff drink with us at the golf course. Guarantee no deputies are on the roads near there. |
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Post by Catscratch on Sept 21, 2022 6:21:53 GMT -6
I suppose any of us who don't want to pay extra via a tip have an easy solution, just don't go out. With dining/drinking prices what they are, that is probably the best solution. Curtained my eating out a ton lately. Last week the local gas station changed the price of a fountain drink tea from $1.06 to $2.30. I haven't been back since. WAS going every morning just to get a drink, say hi to the ladies behind the counter, and tell the old guys sitting at the lone table it's probably not going to rain today. |
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Post by smsmith on Sept 21, 2022 6:23:14 GMT -6
A few of the local guys tell me the county boys are spending more and more time on the dirt roads. I haven't seen any when we're out in the Ranger yet, but I imagine it's just a matter of time. The sheriff and the former sheriff drink with us at the golf course. Guarantee no deputies are on the roads near there. Acting Todd Co. sheriff and an off duty officer from the Metro area drank at the same bars we were drinking at two weekends ago. They were both "full" and driving. I have zero doubts that a local or state officer would have ticketed them had they been caught. Don't know about county, but I'd suspect the same. The "blue code" doesn't seem to apply to DUIs any longer. |
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Post by Catscratch on Sept 21, 2022 6:39:27 GMT -6
The sheriff and the former sheriff drink with us at the golf course. Guarantee no deputies are on the roads near there. Acting Todd Co. sheriff and an off duty officer from the Metro area drank at the same bars we were drinking at two weekends ago. They were both "full" and driving. I have zero doubts that a local or state officer would have ticketed them had they been caught. Don't know about county, but I'd suspect the same. The "blue code" doesn't seem to apply to DUIs any longer. Used to drink at a bar in Kansas City. The drive home was 3 miles. Everyone there was retired or active LE and lived in the community, kind of "their" place. They were a blast and great fun to drink with. I lived in a bad part of town. Shootings and thefts every weekend. These guys had seen it all and had stories to tell (although most of those stories didn't get told until I had been hanging out with them for the better part of a year). Don't remember a single DD ever being at that bar. |
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 21, 2022 6:56:58 GMT -6
I have received two tips during my career. Occasionally farmers would give some cheese, cookies, or homemade sausage at Christmas. Okay......I also have received some gifts like you say here. Also have had some business relationships where I was bought a dinner or a few drinks, etc. And they are / were appreciated. But I cannot remember a time when I got a cash "tip" from a customer. I got paid my wages.....and in some cases bonus money or commission money for doing my job. Tips were never part of my life. Thinking back....I bartended a few weekends at a local dancehall....mostly for chits and giggles. I do not think I ever received a tip for that job in those days. It just didn't happen. I likely made a dollar or a dollar fifty per hour back in those times. I doubt more cleavage or better legs would have helped you!  |
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 21, 2022 7:00:58 GMT -6
I suppose any of us who don't want to pay extra via a tip have an easy solution, just don't go out. With dining/drinking prices what they are, that is probably the best solution. we just don’t go out very often. I don’t think I have ever tipped over 20%. Helping someone out at Christmas or a gift to an overworked worker at that time is not considered a tip for me, but a gift. |
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Post by terrifictom on Sept 21, 2022 7:59:28 GMT -6
Most of you guys know that I have helped guide for bears for the last 12 years. I can not tell you how many times hunters did not give a tip. It has gotten worse as the years go by. I always tip a person that works in an industry that their wage is dependant on tips. If a person works in an industry where the pay is based on getting tips than a person should be tipped based on how good the service being provided is. By not tipping at all you are telling the person their service sucked, when in reality a lot of times the service was acceptable or better. For you guys that are cheap asses that don't like to tip than stay home or better yet eliminate tips for wages and pay these workers a wage that isn't dependant on tips.
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Post by smsmith on Sept 21, 2022 8:20:11 GMT -6
Most of you guys know that I have helped guide for bears for the last 12 years. I can not tell you how many times hunters did not give a tip. It has gotten worse as the years go by. I always tip a person that works in an industry that their wage is dependant on tips. If a person works in an industry where the pay is based on getting tips than a person should be tipped based on how good the service being provided is. By not tipping at all you are telling the person their service sucked, when in reality a lot of times the service was acceptable or better. For you guys that are cheap asses that don't like to tip than stay home or better yet eliminate tips for wages and pay these workers a wage that isn't dependant on tips.To be honest that would be my preference. I used to struggle to tip a Canadian bush pilot when paying a substantial sum to spend a week on lake in Ontario. I hated going off the resort grounds in Jamaica...everywhere you go they expect a tip for everything. Don't give it to them and your service is going to be beyond bad. edit...We spend a pretty considerable sum every month going out. 95%+ of that is spent locally at places where we know most everyone working and most every customer. If we didn't spend it on that, what I am going to do with it? Take it in the casket with me? Give it to the step-kids? They'll likely get plenty as it stands. |
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Post by Freeborn on Sept 21, 2022 8:55:00 GMT -6
Most of you guys know that I have helped guide for bears for the last 12 years. I can not tell you how many times hunters did not give a tip. It has gotten worse as the years go by. I always tip a person that works in an industry that their wage is dependant on tips. If a person works in an industry where the pay is based on getting tips than a person should be tipped based on how good the service being provided is. By not tipping at all you are telling the person their service sucked, when in reality a lot of times the service was acceptable or better. For you guys that are cheap asses that don't like to tip than stay home or better yet eliminate tips for wages and pay these workers a wage that isn't dependant on tips. I think this is an apples and oranges comparison. I have gone on guided hunts and had to tip 5 different guys to cover the guide, packers, skinners and cook. They all did a service and their tip was in line with what should be expected. In my case I see a trend for tipping that has nothing to do with service. Example, I stop at Papa Murphy's occasionally, when I order and pay for my pizza I am asked for a tip before the pizza is even started. At the same time the pizza maker is watching to see how much I tip affecting the quality of the product. Seems ass backwards to me. I think the tipping expectation has gotten out of hand and we have a wage issue. I'll tip well on service/effort but not because you are standing there. By the way, I bartended for a year at the Eagles club in Collage, hard drinking folks who hardly tipped. Still, fond memories and me and the cook got along well, I gave him drinks and I got free food. |
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Post by smsmith on Sept 21, 2022 9:15:59 GMT -6
Most of you guys know that I have helped guide for bears for the last 12 years. I can not tell you how many times hunters did not give a tip. It has gotten worse as the years go by. I always tip a person that works in an industry that their wage is dependant on tips. If a person works in an industry where the pay is based on getting tips than a person should be tipped based on how good the service being provided is. By not tipping at all you are telling the person their service sucked, when in reality a lot of times the service was acceptable or better. For you guys that are cheap asses that don't like to tip than stay home or better yet eliminate tips for wages and pay these workers a wage that isn't dependant on tips. I think this is an apples and oranges comparison. I have gone on guided hunts and had to tip 5 different guys to cover the guide, packers, skinners and cook. They all did a service and their tip was in line with what should be expected. In my case I see a trend for tipping that has nothing to do with service. Example, I stop at Papa Murphy's occasionally, when I order and pay for my pizza I am asked for a tip before the pizza is even started. At the same time the pizza maker is watching to see how much I tip affecting the quality of the product. Seems ass backwards to me. I think the tipping expectation has gotten out of hand and we have a wage issue. I'll tip well on service/effort but not because you are standing there. By the way, I bartended for a year at the Eagles club in Collage, hard drinking folks who hardly tipped. Still, fond memories and me and the cook got along well, I gave him drinks and I got free food. I think we do have a wage issue. Part of that is because non-4 year college degree jobs are considered to be low class by many. A change in mindset is required to change the wage issue. Is a CEO worth $10s of $1000s an hour? Is the guy/gal who fixes my car/computer/atv/whatever not worth being paid a wage that allows them to experience the American dream? Try to find a decent small engine mechanic now...heck, try to staff a small town auto shop. One place in town changed from an auto repair shop to a trailer sales place because they couldn't consistently get auto techs to apply/show up for work. I don't know what the answers are, but something needs to change. |
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Post by terrifictom on Sept 21, 2022 10:17:42 GMT -6
Most of you guys know that I have helped guide for bears for the last 12 years. I can not tell you how many times hunters did not give a tip. It has gotten worse as the years go by. I always tip a person that works in an industry that their wage is dependant on tips. If a person works in an industry where the pay is based on getting tips than a person should be tipped based on how good the service being provided is. By not tipping at all you are telling the person their service sucked, when in reality a lot of times the service was acceptable or better. For you guys that are cheap asses that don't like to tip than stay home or better yet eliminate tips for wages and pay these workers a wage that isn't dependant on tips. I think this is an apples and oranges comparison. I have gone on guided hunts and had to tip 5 different guys to cover the guide, packers, skinners and cook. They all did a service and their tip was in line with what should be expected. In my case I see a trend for tipping that has nothing to do with service. Example, I stop at Papa Murphy's occasionally, when I order and pay for my pizza I am asked for a tip before the pizza is even started. At the same time the pizza maker is watching to see how much I tip affecting the quality of the product. Seems ass backwards to me. I think the tipping expectation has gotten out of hand and we have a wage issue. I'll tip well on service/effort but not because you are standing there. By the way, I bartended for a year at the Eagles club in Collage, hard drinking folks who hardly tipped. Still, fond memories and me and the cook got along well, I gave him drinks and I got free food. In the example you used at Papa Murphy's is the owner paying a wage that tips are not needed or is the owner paying wait staff wages and taking advantage of the employee ? If it is the owner taking advantage of employee than the beef is with the owner not employee. |
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Post by smsmith on Sept 21, 2022 10:55:01 GMT -6
I think this is an apples and oranges comparison. I have gone on guided hunts and had to tip 5 different guys to cover the guide, packers, skinners and cook. They all did a service and their tip was in line with what should be expected. In my case I see a trend for tipping that has nothing to do with service. Example, I stop at Papa Murphy's occasionally, when I order and pay for my pizza I am asked for a tip before the pizza is even started. At the same time the pizza maker is watching to see how much I tip affecting the quality of the product. Seems ass backwards to me. I think the tipping expectation has gotten out of hand and we have a wage issue. I'll tip well on service/effort but not because you are standing there. By the way, I bartended for a year at the Eagles club in Collage, hard drinking folks who hardly tipped. Still, fond memories and me and the cook got along well, I gave him drinks and I got free food. In the example you used at Papa Murphy's is the owner paying a wage that tips are not needed or is the owner paying wait staff wages and taking advantage of the employee ? If it is the owner taking advantage of employee than the beef is with the owner not employee. Fair point, and I think what we're seeing now is just the beginning. People aren't happy working at jobs where they feel underpaid, so they don't go to those jobs. I think what corporations will do is to automate many jobs rather than paying employees what they want to be paid. We're going to end up with a bunch of people who could have been working sitting at home and collecting "universal basic income" because machines are going to be doing the work. I don't know how much a Walmart personal shopper should make. $17 an hour to go shopping for other people seems like a lot of money, but since Walmart doesn't like giving people full time hours I imagine those people are lucky to make $25K a year...and not get any benefits from Walmart....and get their health insurance on the taxpayer's dime. I don't imagine it will be too much longer that humans will be doing that job. |
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Post by jamiedro on Sept 21, 2022 11:17:30 GMT -6
tipping has become a social convention. we tip for services rendered and for good service. if you are not happy with the service you can either say something or not tip at all. but the thing is, if you tell the person that you are not tipping due to the quality of service, they will probably be very upset and may not want to help you in the future. service is an art and it is a very difficult job. i worked in fast food and i know how hard it is to do a good job.
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