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Post by nhmountains on Mar 29, 2017 5:12:22 GMT -6
Funny thing is I had dinner with 9 liberals at the inlaws a couple weeks ago and not one of them knew the rates and deductibles have skyrocketed. They'd also forgot Obama had promised me $2500+ in savings 9x on tv.
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Post by jbird on Mar 29, 2017 11:45:13 GMT -6
Middle class: Too much money to be "poor" to little money to be "rich", yet we pay the bill..... so in the end we are just fucked!
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Post by buckvelvet on Mar 29, 2017 11:52:21 GMT -6
No lube either JB remember that.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 29, 2017 11:56:09 GMT -6
Funny thing is I had dinner with 9 liberals at the inlaws a couple weeks ago and not one of them knew the rates and deductibles have skyrocketed. They'd also forgot Obama had promised me $2500+ in savings 9x on tv. G They probably don't know why their liberal other than tradition. I tell them the current party looks nothing like the party of my father (DFL).
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 29, 2017 13:52:47 GMT -6
Funny thing is I had dinner with 9 liberals at the inlaws a couple weeks ago and not one of them knew the rates and deductibles have skyrocketed. They'd also forgot Obama had promised me $2500+ in savings 9x on tv. Well maybe they do not pay for it. The most clever piece of legislation ever by Obama and the gang, the democrats got their health insurance paid for by Republicans.
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Post by biglakebass on Mar 29, 2017 14:34:09 GMT -6
Funny thing is I had dinner with 9 liberals at the inlaws a couple weeks ago and not one of them knew the rates and deductibles have skyrocketed. They'd also forgot Obama had promised me $2500+ in savings 9x on tv. G They probably don't know why their liberal other than tradition. I tell them the current party looks nothing like the party of my father (DFL). So when does the "F" get removed from DFL? Farmers spoke volumes. I couldnt believe all the farms I saw last fall with Trump signs. I dont know if I even saw a Hillary placard on a farm last year.
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Post by jbird on Mar 29, 2017 16:51:32 GMT -6
The farmers I know....true farmers.....value hard work, and they don't expect anything to be handed to them. They are conservative, stubborn, and will give you their last dollar if you are struggling but still putting forth the effort. They will threaten to beat your ass (and may damn sure try) if you offer to help them when they don't ask for it! They are independent, self-reliant and resourceful. Most come from a long line of the same sort of thinking. They know their neighbors and have a strong sense of community - even when the nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile down the road or further. They may forgive, but they won't forget. They value actions over words. You screw over a farmer, you won't be given a chance to do it again. They are not entitled....they are simply empowered by their physical and mental strength, will power and common sense. To be honest I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of that! Farmers may not fully support Mr. Trump, but it sure as hell beat the alternative!
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 30, 2017 6:09:19 GMT -6
Funny thing is I had dinner with 9 liberals at the inlaws a couple weeks ago and not one of them knew the rates and deductibles have skyrocketed. They'd also forgot Obama had promised me $2500+ in savings 9x on tv. Ask who pays for their health insurance? Ask if they live an area where there is only one choice for coverage if you are not eligible to join a group.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 30, 2017 6:34:42 GMT -6
^^^^. Art,
The response I got when I pushed the issue in the past was he didn't care because it didn't effect him. Both me and my wife said that was a nice attitude. I haven't gone there in conv since. He's retired from the US Forest services so he's still got great insurance.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 30, 2017 17:42:05 GMT -6
I would roll out a plan and tell the dems if they don't vote for it Obama care will be repealed with no replacement. A good old game of chicken. 90% of the 14 million people that Obama care helped will never vote republican anyways. The only people that benefit from obama care are the ones that are getting it for free, it was always meant to be a vote getting freebie.
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Post by wiscwhip on Mar 30, 2017 18:12:05 GMT -6
I hope everyone is smart enough to realize we are all fucked now regardless, the market sets the price and they continue to push and push to see what the market will bare and the market continues to move in an ever increasing upward trend. Sure, it may level off, but without a complete change of the rules and regulations, costs will likely never go down by any appreciable amount, to think otherwise is naive and stupid. The market has been set and being "insurance poor" will become the norm even more so than it already is.
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Post by terrifictom on Mar 30, 2017 18:32:01 GMT -6
I hope everyone is smart enough to realize we are all fucked now regardless, the market sets the price and they continue to push and push to see what the market will bare and the market continues to move in an ever increasing upward trend. Sure, it may level off, but without a complete change of the rules and regulations, costs will likely never go down by any appreciable amount, to think otherwise is naive and stupid. The market has been set and being "insurance poor" will become the norm even more so than it already is. That pretty well says it. The only way we will see cheaper health insurance is to regulate like they do with natural gas and water utilities. I doubt that will happen.
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 30, 2017 18:40:00 GMT -6
If the mandate actually goes away, insurance will fall quickly or fail quickly. I'd rather take a chance at not going bankrupt than assure it with coverage.
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Post by wiscwhip on Mar 30, 2017 18:52:29 GMT -6
If the mandate actually goes away, insurance will fall quickly or fail quickly. I'd rather take a chance at not going bankrupt than assure it with coverage. Not if you have a life altering condition or children, which is a good percentage of the population.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 30, 2017 18:55:49 GMT -6
If the mandate actually goes away, insurance will fall quickly or fail quickly. I'd rather take a chance at not going bankrupt than assure it with coverage. Not if you have a life altering condition or children, which is a good percentage of the population. ...or if you're not willing to bet against having either in the future.
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