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Post by gjs4 on Feb 14, 2024 15:28:21 GMT -6
I have a few of his almanacs (an horrendously filmed/edited DVDs). Need to revisit those.
Would you have called the two hot spots out or was it just time observing that brought them to light?
Other than Reagan in this thread I feel like the no ag around is making my predictable travel an unlikely condition.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 14, 2024 15:56:49 GMT -6
I have a few of his almanacs (an horrendously filmed/edited DVDs). Need to revisit those. Would you have called the two hot spots out or was it just time observing that brought them to light? Other than Reagan in this thread I feel like the no ag around is making my predictable travel an unlikely condition. I was referring to his almanacs. The filmed DVD’s were not good at all. I would not have picked those locations out with the knowledge I had 30 years ago. Just observation.
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Post by kooch on Feb 15, 2024 11:29:45 GMT -6
I used to have land in far Northern MN and there was zero ag for miles and miles and miles. I spent a lot of time and money on food plot work and land clearing, which I don’t regret.
The food plot is why I saw a lot of deer. Some days I saw a dozen does, fawns and the occasional trophy spike. Once or twice a season a decent buck would walk across a narrow spot in the plot and would catch a bullet.
While I absolutely enjoyed making food plots, I think I’d have killed every buck I ever shot without the plots. They were all following a trail that was there long before I bought the land and will be there long after the plot is consumed by the forest again.
I’d still make the plots again because it’s fun and I’m really into horticulture. Also, watching does and fawns every night is fun.
I guess my point is, if I’d have just took a minute to really look and understand how the bucks were using my property I’d have had the same success with or without the food plots. Find your pinch points and travel lanes. Find a way to get in and out without blowing the place up. You may not have a juvenile deer circus in front of you every night but you’ll still kill bucks if they are around.
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Post by kooch on Feb 15, 2024 11:31:49 GMT -6
To answer your question more directly, I put a long skinny food plot like a shooting lane and sat in a box blind watching the trails across that food plot. It was like a power line cut. Boring, but easy. It was a rifle thing though, bow hunting would have been very different.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 15, 2024 14:17:55 GMT -6
Kooch has it right about finding the existing buck routes. I always found rub lines to be the key until the rut hits.
The only way I could see for you to generate new travel routes would be to make a clear cut next to mature timber. Generate an edge, like I have field edges.
When I first had my place, I would walk it after rifle season and mark large and small rubs in an aerial photo. Also family beds and large single beds if I could find them. You can now do that electronically.
Actually, I think buck beds in my area are very seasonal.
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Post by Bob on Feb 15, 2024 18:01:17 GMT -6
To answer your question more directly, I put a long skinny food plot like a shooting lane and sat in a box blind watching the trails across that food plot. It was like a power line cut. Boring, but easy. It was a rifle thing though, bow hunting would have been very different. I still think about the day that you mowed that gigantic oat crop. That was something else.
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Post by kooch on Feb 16, 2024 0:24:44 GMT -6
Blast from the past.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 16, 2024 10:45:10 GMT -6
Did you see much deer use of the oats?
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Post by kooch on Feb 16, 2024 11:34:22 GMT -6
Did you see much deer use of the oats? Mostly bears TBH. The entire forest up there was deer food in the summer. The oats were a cover crop and thatch for brassica broadcast. That thatch layer ended up being too thick and the brassica struggled. Unheard of I know. Now I wish I’d have just let it stand until maturity before mowing and prayed for a volunteer oat plot in fall. The problem is, gun season is November and those oats would have all been dried up frozen casualties of the North by then. Would have been interesting though.
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Post by gjs4 on Feb 17, 2024 7:10:20 GMT -6
I may have seen that oat video on another forum....it seems familiar....and is nuts to watch.
I had plots cleared (off some existing openings that made some locational sense to use/expand)and the guy who did it was a RW seed dealer. He sold me on Higgins soil charge....planted that and it grew great. Didnt put up an exclusion cage or pay attention to browse. I decided to spray it in July and have a brassica blend for the ultimate attraction. Horrid timing with the drought that hit....and despite multiple attempts to establish rye thereafter my plots were weak dust bowls going into Thanksgiving. This year will be clover and chicory frost seeded next week....with a hearty helping of oats for some cover in a month. Mowing will be prior to rain if at all and i will add brassicas to open areas and WR to any remaining in Sept. Wont forget the exclusion cages either.
I had very accomplished hunter there tell me- the big guys are just as present in the big wood/hills as they are ag, theyre just far less visible and predictable. I still struggle with that idea for my place but the county and local area definitely put up some big deer.
One big take from the contributors here is the long trail. I was missing the point of my plots and "too thick" interior lack deer trails. Utility ROW and an old two track are there but not ideal for ideal for the deer or passage with topography or plots. Should be a pretty easy roi to add some more "too small for a truck but big enough for a buck" trails that make sense for their travel.
As for topography- there are some no-brainer places. Between constantly fickle winds and very high cost access....theyre cell cam locations and also a no brainer for a buck to use for total property intel and near impossibility to be ambushed prior. I hunted one once this past season. It worked well for the deer that were there and moving at that time.
As for rubs....they dont paint much of a picture. I have little ones all over and some giant in the food plots. Not much of a plausible pattern to the location or even support with trail cam pics.
For the records, I am pretty accomplished in multiple areas, public and private and joined the habitat/layout learning over 15 years ago. My weaknesses are i go blind with my own stuff (overthinking) and despite figuring most ag country scenarios out fast....feel like i know nothing in the big hills or country without ag. Ive also pondered posting some more pics but have that internet thief based apprehension
I also wonder if the deer"got it" with regard to food plots as theyre not the norm there. Corn piles and acorns are every where...with a good amount of native browse mixed in. This year will provide a bunch more intel....including whether this is a place to stay or sell.
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Post by Reagan on Feb 17, 2024 16:33:13 GMT -6
I may have seen that oat video on another forum....it seems familiar....and is nuts to watch. I had plots cleared (off some existing openings that made some locational sense to use/expand)and the guy who did it was a RW seed dealer. He sold me on Higgins soil charge....planted that and it grew great. Didnt put up an exclusion cage or pay attention to browse. I decided to spray it in July and have a brassica blend for the ultimate attraction. Horrid timing with the drought that hit....and despite multiple attempts to establish rye thereafter my plots were weak dust bowls going into Thanksgiving. This year will be clover and chicory frost seeded next week....with a hearty helping of oats for some cover in a month. Mowing will be prior to rain if at all and i will add brassicas to open areas and WR to any remaining in Sept. Wont forget the exclusion cages either. I had very accomplished hunter there tell me- the big guys are just as present in the big wood/hills as they are ag, theyre just far less visible and predictable. I still struggle with that idea for my place but the county and local area definitely put up some big deer. One big take from the contributors here is the long trail. I was missing the point of my plots and "too thick" interior lack deer trails. Utility ROW and an old two track are there but not ideal for ideal for the deer or passage with topography or plots. Should be a pretty easy roi to add some more "too small for a truck but big enough for a buck" trails that make sense for their travel. As for topography- there are some no-brainer places. Between constantly fickle winds and very high cost access....theyre cell cam locations and also a no brainer for a buck to use for total property intel and near impossibility to be ambushed prior. I hunted one once this past season. It worked well for the deer that were there and moving at that time. As for rubs....they dont paint much of a picture. I have little ones all over and some giant in the food plots. Not much of a plausible pattern to the location or even support with trail cam pics. For the records, I am pretty accomplished in multiple areas, public and private and joined the habitat/layout learning over 15 years ago. My weaknesses are i go blind with my own stuff (overthinking) and despite figuring most ag country scenarios out fast....feel like i know nothing in the big hills or country without ag. Ive also pondered posting some more pics but have that internet thief based apprehension I also wonder if the deer"got it" with regard to food plots as theyre not the norm there. Corn piles and acorns are every where...with a good amount of native browse mixed in. This year will provide a bunch more intel....including whether this is a place to stay or sell. . The last couple of summers were so dry I have had very little luck with fall plots or brassica. I say get some clover. It’s best I’ve done. Your accomplished hunter friend is 100% correct about big woods bucks. They are different than agg bucks.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 19, 2024 16:30:21 GMT -6
I opened up some shooting lanes and some sidewalks that I have ignored for too long. I also found a string of big rubs running diagonally thru my woods. This is an area I haven’t been in for years. I know one decent buck made it through rifle season. Maybe that was him.
Good to get out!
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Post by gjs4 on Feb 28, 2024 6:18:25 GMT -6
Four days of hard labor trimming trails through what was WAY TOO THICK....lets see how this unfolds
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 28, 2024 8:06:33 GMT -6
Four days of hard labor trimming trails through what was WAY TOO THICK....lets see how this unfolds I bet they will work. I mow or roundup my deer sidewalks in early august.
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Post by gjs4 on Feb 28, 2024 17:28:39 GMT -6
I was planning on spraying in a month when most of the invasives have leafed out but prior to the good guys doing so. Can/will repeat in Sept.
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