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Post by Sandbur on May 4, 2024 4:37:30 GMT -6
Sorry to wander off topic, but I have a fairly large area of Reed canary that tends to have annual flooding. I have made some headway with cover on the edges of it, but view the main part of it as hopeless for being modified under present conditions and wetland laws.
I can’t create bedding mounds in it beyond the two existing ditch banks under present laws. The RC has a tremendous root mass holds the soil and prevents erosion. Trying to eliminate it won’t work with the tremendous seed load in the soil and up river/ up ditch.
Are you in a similar situation where the best you can do is modify things around the edges? Are there pockets of natives or better soils?
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Post by gjs4 on May 4, 2024 6:59:45 GMT -6
If rye won't grow somewhere, I'd have to question what's going on with the soil. Soil test would be the first thing that comes to mind. If invasives are growing and rye isn't, I'd stop fighting the invasives. Two different areas being chatted about. Red/Yellow clay has nothing growing in it but Virginia Pines. One area is about an ac, the other maybe half that. The remaining areas are where the invasives are at. Have soil tests of both areas. The clay has a very low CEC (and all parameters for that matter). If i could time to get some better seed coverage with clay agitation after a rain event that would likely help alot more than the throw and hope of both my WR and Brome attempts. For what its worth- i have not tried rye grass either.
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Post by gjs4 on May 4, 2024 7:13:02 GMT -6
Sorry to wander off topic, but I have a fairly large area of Reed canary that tends to have annual flooding. I have made some headway with cover on the edges of it, but view the main part of it as hopeless for being modified under present conditions and wetland laws. I can’t create bedding mounds in it beyond the two existing ditch banks under present laws. The RC has a tremendous root mass holds the soil and prevents erosion. Trying to eliminate it won’t work with the tremendous seed load in the soil and up river/ up ditch. Are you in a similar situation where the best you can do is modify things around the edges? Are there pockets of natives or better soils? I dont think this is the case. Reference to support that is how old some of the invasives are. There are MF rose that need a chainsaw and BH the same. The area below them is barren due to their "canopy". I also really hope I am not wrong. As for my current layout- the top is wide open woods (30%), the center (50%) is this junk and the bottom (10%) is a mix of the two (with the remaining10% being plots or ROWs). I had always been under the sanctuary in the center, and small access inward with property access on the edges. The new layout will be a little different as i am trying to leave the premium top (topography) for buck bedding and travel and creating the food draw in a couple of smaller side plots/sites and the destination food lower. Obviously the areas adjacent to plots could be for bedding where it works with my desired script. Know of Reed canary grass but have no experience with it. My low ground here in NY is nothing like my Ohio place. Our wetlands here, which are protected but maybe not as stringently, have had pallets, mulch and other more nature things finding their way to become bedding mounds. Willow cuttings in tufts of grass rocket too. My best success with those areas has been to create trails.....think water makes deer far less concerned with predation. Forgot to answer an earlier on one sidewalks for deer; Yes, I have hand cut and sprayed some. Definitely game use....but I think its too claustrophobic feeling for bucks based on their alternative use.
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Post by Reagan on May 4, 2024 10:54:07 GMT -6
Throw and mow on my stripped soils is always a disappointment even with rye. I know people say don’t till but I have much better results breaking dirt with my disk.
I would scratch it up and then throw down rye before some rain.
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Post by gjs4 on May 5, 2024 6:40:22 GMT -6
Reagan when you say Rye, you mean winter rye, correct? I know there is always the "no no" variety of perennial rye grass but rather verify. (Wasn't that a Reagan quote as a matter of fact? lol)
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Post by Reagan on May 5, 2024 19:41:48 GMT -6
Reagan Trust but verify. Lol
Rye grain. It will grow in a rock, true. But it don’t grow worth a damn throw and mow on my plots unless I get a lot of rain.
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