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Propane
Oct 17, 2021 20:28:27 GMT -6
Post by smsmith on Oct 17, 2021 20:28:27 GMT -6
Yep. The guy is unbelievably intelligent. Electrical engineer. Flies all over the US problem solving as an independent contractor. Makes more in a year than I made in my best combined 5 years of employment. He and the girlfriend raise/grow most all of their food. Big greenhouse. Raise beef, pigs, and chickens for themselves and sell some for a few bucks. I struggle when talking with them about their world views. They're both intelligent and educated...and convinced the shit is gonna hit the fan sooner rather than later. If they're right, most of us are screwed Preppers?I will rely on my CFPs views. Big time
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Post by biglakebass on Oct 17, 2021 20:31:26 GMT -6
I work with MANY unbelieveably intelligent people. But the color of the sun in their sky sure isnt what I see. Many of them are certified loonies in the real world.
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Propane
Oct 17, 2021 20:39:59 GMT -6
Post by smsmith on Oct 17, 2021 20:39:59 GMT -6
I work with MANY unbelieveably intelligent people. But the color of the sun in their sky sure isnt what I see. Many of them are certified loonies in the real world. I try to talk with these people about the post-apocalyptic world they envision. Details aren't something they've spent much time on from what I can figure. I talked with them both about precious metals (see my post on the gold/silver thread). They are dumping a bunch of cash into precious metals (they didn't know about palladium though). When I asked them about converting those metals into something else (gas, food, bullets, etc.) they didn't have much for answers. If a guy has a bunch of 1 oz. gold bars and you want 5 gallons of gas, how do you use those gold bars to pay for shit? Just hand over $1800 (today's value) of gold for a few gallons of gas? Whack the bar into pieces (thereby likely destroying the validity/value of the bar)? I have been looking at fractional precious metal bars, but even with those there is going to be a whole bunch of dickering
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Propane
Oct 18, 2021 2:37:58 GMT -6
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 18, 2021 2:37:58 GMT -6
Aside from my deer shack, I've never heated with propane. Since I'm closing in on building in the middle of nowhere South Dakota, I need to consider Propane. My plan is to have the ability to heat with LP and wood. We're also going to have a backup generator. Anyway, how big a tank should I get? My FIL has a 500LB tank and hardly uses any. He still heats 90% with wood. I don't think I'll be as ambitious as him. The house will be modest, around 1,500 square feet. I'm pretty sure we could figure it out with a 500 gallon tank. But, knowing the world is going to shit and supply may fluctuate, I'm thinking about the 1,000 gallon tank. The larger tank might let us ride out price and supply issues. Am I dumb to consider the larger tank when the 500 is probably plenty? Higher costs up front. But is it a better solution? If you own the tank, you can shop for prices. Buy the thousand gallon tank. I filled the end of September for $1.39 based in signing for a summer fill before October 1. Current price then was $1.69.
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Post by caveman on Oct 18, 2021 4:18:37 GMT -6
Talked to a guy today at the LP Legion during the Viqueen game. He has a 1000 gallon tank (he owns it) and is down to 60% full. Most of his heat comes from wood, and a full 1000 gallons would likely get him through 2 full years. He's planning to top his tank off this week. Edit...I should add that this guy's live in girlfriend (10 years or so) told me that they pulled all of their money out of the bank and have it in a few safes. They're convinced the end is near and that banks will fail....so take it for what it's worth. So you’re saying he is sane and rational. He was watching the Vikings. Not so sure anyone like that can be considered sane and rational.
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Post by sd51555 on Oct 18, 2021 5:13:06 GMT -6
Aside from my deer shack, I've never heated with propane. Since I'm closing in on building in the middle of nowhere South Dakota, I need to consider Propane. My plan is to have the ability to heat with LP and wood. We're also going to have a backup generator. Anyway, how big a tank should I get? My FIL has a 500LB tank and hardly uses any. He still heats 90% with wood. I don't think I'll be as ambitious as him. The house will be modest, around 1,500 square feet. I'm pretty sure we could figure it out with a 500 gallon tank. But, knowing the world is going to shit and supply may fluctuate, I'm thinking about the 1,000 gallon tank. The larger tank might let us ride out price and supply issues. Am I dumb to consider the larger tank when the 500 is probably plenty? Higher costs up front. But is it a better solution? If you own the tank, you can shop for prices. Buy the thousand gallon tank. I filled the end of September for $1.39 based in signing for a summer fill before October 1. Current price then was $1.69. You gotta be careful with that. Just a few years ago, propane got tight, and my old company quit taking new customers to honor contracts and existing customers. It’s not a company thing either. If the supply gets tight, the pipelines will limit supply to the companies. I had the job of telling people with empty tanks we wouldn’t sell them gas.
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Propane
Oct 18, 2021 9:44:47 GMT -6
Post by kooch on Oct 18, 2021 9:44:47 GMT -6
Pros and cons of owning the tank vs leasing from the company?
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Propane
Oct 18, 2021 14:04:26 GMT -6
Post by sd51555 on Oct 18, 2021 14:04:26 GMT -6
Pros and cons of owning the tank vs leasing from the company? Cons of ownership: *You have to paint it *If the valving goes bad, you gotta pay them to fix it. Propane service guy probably won't set foot on your property for under $150. If he gets outta the truck, $200. *If it sinks into the ground, you'll have to pay to have it reset, or do it yourself and don't tell them. Pros of ownership: *No gimmicks about tank lease pricing based on annual usage. *Not married to the supplier *Some rent contracts are just plain awful (could buy a tank for 4 years of rent payments kind of deal or you get rent premium gas vs discounted owned tank gas) I paid $500 to buy my tank, and it was a rip off. An even bigger rip off was the $100 a year they were going to charge me to rent it. An even bigger rip off than the second rip off was the $3.30/gallon they were gonna charge me for gas when everyone else was $1.30.
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Propane
Oct 18, 2021 16:32:24 GMT -6
Post by kooch on Oct 18, 2021 16:32:24 GMT -6
So I should buy and just make sure it's properly installed and maintained.
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Propane
Oct 18, 2021 16:47:29 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Oct 18, 2021 16:47:29 GMT -6
Pros and cons of owning the tank vs leasing from the company? Cons of ownership: *You have to paint it *If the valving goes bad, you gotta pay them to fix it. Propane service guy probably won't set foot on your property for under $150. If he gets outta the truck, $200. *If it sinks into the ground, you'll have to pay to have it reset, or do it yourself and don't tell them. Pros of ownership: *No gimmicks about tank lease pricing based on annual usage. *Not married to the supplier *Some rent contracts are just plain awful (could buy a tank for 4 years of rent payments kind of deal or you get rent premium gas vs discounted owned tank gas) I paid $500 to buy my tank, and it was a rip off. An even bigger rip off was the $100 a year they were going to charge me to rent it. An even bigger rip off than the second rip off was the $3.30/gallon they were gonna charge me for gas when everyone else was $1.30. I don't heat with propane....too dangerous and expensive. I heat with reliable AC grid power......and electricity is penny cheap. Works for my refrigerator, toaster, well pump and welder too. . (gotcha....again ).
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Propane
Oct 18, 2021 16:50:20 GMT -6
Post by kooch on Oct 18, 2021 16:50:20 GMT -6
OK.
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Propane
Oct 18, 2021 16:57:38 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Oct 18, 2021 16:57:38 GMT -6
There are a lot of BTUs in wood before it is burned! <-----account is temporarily disabled in 2017. Anyone here from little Jerry?
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Propane
Oct 18, 2021 17:04:58 GMT -6
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 18, 2021 17:04:58 GMT -6
If you own the tank, you can shop for prices. Buy the thousand gallon tank. I filled the end of September for $1.39 based in signing for a summer fill before October 1. Current price then was $1.69. You gotta be careful with that. Just a few years ago, propane got tight, and my old company quit taking new customers to honor contracts and existing customers. It’s not a company thing either. If the supply gets tight, the pipelines will limit supply to the companies. I had the job of telling people with empty tanks we wouldn’t sell them gas. Thanks. Good to know!
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Post by sd51555 on Oct 18, 2021 18:06:53 GMT -6
You gotta be careful with that. Just a few years ago, propane got tight, and my old company quit taking new customers to honor contracts and existing customers. It’s not a company thing either. If the supply gets tight, the pipelines will limit supply to the companies. I had the job of telling people with empty tanks we wouldn’t sell them gas. Thanks. Good to know! There is more inside baseball to it. There are little things that I look for in a company. Do they have nice trucks? That matters because if they've got an old fleet and trucks go down, they can get behind and tanks go empty. Do they have adequate storage (bulk plants)? Do they have a full service department, like ability to sell, install, and service appliances? How long has the driver been on the route? An experienced and stable driver is also handy to have. They can knock out some quick service work for ya and if they like you, won't even piss around with the paperwork to charge ya. They might even be able to tell ya where the bucks have been hanging out. The little things like that aren't a problem until they're a problem. The pipeline allocation system is a neat one. Companies build allocation from April through September. This means if supply goes tight, they are allowed to pull as much gas October through March as they pulled from April through September. We always pushed hard to summer fill as much as possible, and for a few reasons. Its easy to haul gas in the summer, filling your once a year customers in summer frees up capacity to haul in winter, it usually saves people money, and we filled all of our storage at the end of September. If we executed all that well, we never ran anyone out.
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Post by sd51555 on Oct 19, 2021 19:17:00 GMT -6
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