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Post by nhmountains on Sept 6, 2017 13:31:52 GMT -6
I ended up buying 100 swamp white seedlings from MDC cost with shipping was $52. So $.52 per tree. That gives me incentive to work on my south facing slope this winter so I can plant these next spring.
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Post by nhmountains on Sept 8, 2017 6:27:09 GMT -6
Here's the young swamp white oak that is in a parking lot that produced its first acorns this year.  |
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Post by jbird on Sept 8, 2017 14:51:34 GMT -6
Those look similar but different than the ones I have found. I am sure what I have found are a swamp white oak of some sort....the acorn have the "tail" and it's certainly a white oak. Maybe it's a different hybrid. All I know is they are in an office park and loaded both this year and last. I simply have to wait for them to be ready this year. These trees I am collecting from are less than 12" DBH and roughly 30 to 40 feet tall and seem to be ideal for an orchard type setting at that size. I am holding out waiting for my lone white oak to be ready as well. For some reason on that tree only the lowest branches within say 12 feet of the ground seem to produce acorns and I have no idea why.....I just know it's the only produce white oak I have.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 9, 2017 7:44:09 GMT -6
I have switched most of my oak plantings to:
Swamp White Oak
Swamp Bur Oak Hybrid
Red Oak
Bur Oak
These 4 survive for me... I threw in a few Pin Oaks at OTC
Best overall is Swamp Bur Oak Hybrid!!
Cage/tube as many as I can. I learned that you have to baby and protect or it's a tough "go".
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Post by sd51555 on Sept 9, 2017 19:17:05 GMT -6
I have switched most of my oak plantings to: Swamp White Oak Swamp Bur Oak Hybrid Red Oak Bur Oak These 4 survive for me... I threw in a few Pin Oaks at OTC Best overall is Swamp Bur Oak Hybrid!! Cage/tube as many as I can. I learned that you have to baby and protect or it's a tough "go". I'm 12 for 12 on bur oaks in tubes. They work. I'm a fan of doing less better than more poorly. |
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Post by nhmountains on Sept 10, 2017 7:23:34 GMT -6
SD,
Which tubes do you use and how tall?
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Post by Foggy on Sept 10, 2017 9:25:31 GMT -6
I've got loads of natural Burr Oaks that come up in my regenerating forest. No protection or tubes....they just come up everywhere. I don't get huge amounts of acorn production......I suppose because the land is too sandy and not enough nutrients to produce them.
MY QUESTION IS.....would these seedling trees produce better acorns crops if placed on land with better soils? ......or is this lack of acorn prodcution just the way these trees would always be??
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Post by sd51555 on Sept 10, 2017 10:46:53 GMT -6
SD, Which tubes do you use and how tall? 6' Tubex. I like those because of their flared top. |
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Post by chummer16 on Sept 10, 2017 15:24:31 GMT -6
I have a very hard time getting anything to thrive at my place but I will say the 6 swamp whites I put in a cage and a good spot are starting to take off. They were from MDC and planted about 4 years ago.
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Post by sd51555 on Sept 10, 2017 19:33:47 GMT -6
MY QUESTION IS.....would these seedling trees produce better acorns crops if placed on land with better soils? ......or is this lack of acorn prodcution just the way these trees would always be?? I'm working on it Foggy. It's gonna take some time before I can answer that question.  I think anything will do better with top soil conditions for that species. "Most able to survive" in a given condition isn't necessarily a condition for that species to thrive, rather it seems like a situation where common foes stand no chance to compete, so things like bur may pop up and live. I'm farting around with calcium/magnesium ratios, sulfur, breathing room, and sunlight to see if I can make mine perform better. I don't even know how I'd quantify it if it did work though. |
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Post by Foggy on Sept 10, 2017 19:44:43 GMT -6
MY QUESTION IS.....would these seedling trees produce better acorns crops if placed on land with better soils? ......or is this lack of acorn prodcution just the way these trees would always be?? I'm working on it Foggy. It's gonna take some time before I can answer that question. I think anything will do better with top soil conditions for that species. "Most able to survive" in a given condition isn't necessarily a condition for that species to thrive, rather it seems like a situation where common foes stand no chance to compete, so things like bur may pop up and live. I'm farting around with calcium/magnesium ratios, sulfur, breathing room, and sunlight to see if I can make mine perform better. I don't even know how I'd quantify it if it did work though. Just as I expected! A chat-room full of guys whom have all the questions.....but few of the answers. Grin. How am I gonna sleep tonight....not knowing this schmidt?  |
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Post by nhmountains on Sept 10, 2017 20:47:12 GMT -6
Foggy,
Do you have any photos of your large burs? I think the quick answer is yes. Plants that get more nutrients will out perform the others. I don't think that's the problem with your bur trees though.
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Post by sd51555 on Sept 11, 2017 5:43:59 GMT -6
Here's an up close of my tubex tubes. If u look at the left edge, you can see a slight outward flare. That was a big deal for me, because I've seen lots of bark damage where the trunk rubs that top lip.   |
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 11, 2017 8:30:13 GMT -6
Wow, that is impressive growth.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 11, 2017 8:53:34 GMT -6
Here is a 2nd year swamp white oak in MN. I order 10-25 of these of every year and cage or tube them. So far we have about 80-90% survival.  |
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