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Post by Satchmo on Feb 6, 2017 22:16:45 GMT -6
Leasing of potlatch has stopped a lot of that too. My uncle and cousins used to hunt potlatch for years but once they started leasing it out they lost their hunting. It certainly did. That was a huge blow to a lot of guys. Hell, I bought my land from Potlatch.
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Post by mclovin on Feb 6, 2017 23:30:52 GMT -6
I supported APRs but only because it was the only option. I'd much rather see higher deer numbers and no party hunting. If you have enough deer the trophy hunters can pass small bucks and actually see and kill some mature bucks while at the same time meat hunters can kill the first buck they see. If you have enough deer and limit the quantity of bucks one person can shoot the harvest will seek it's own level and become representative of the actual age structure of the herd. But you do have to get the numbers up and get some bucks past their first birthday, either by APRs or other limits placed on the hunter. In theory though you'd only have to do it for a couple years.
I grew up hunting the same way BV, I miss the big group and the camp stuff sometimes.
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Post by Reagan on Feb 7, 2017 5:28:02 GMT -6
I supported APRs but only because it was the only option. I'd much rather see higher deer numbers and no party hunting. If you have enough deer the trophy hunters can pass small bucks and actually see and kill some mature bucks while at the same time meat hunters can kill the first buck they see. If you have enough deer and limit the quantity of bucks one person can shoot the harvest will seek it's own level and become representative of the actual age structure of the herd. But you do have to get the numbers up and get some bucks past their first birthday, either by APRs or other limits placed on the hunter. In theory though you'd only have to do it for a couple years. I grew up hunting the same way BV, I miss the big group and the camp stuff sometimes. I don't follow your statement. How would APR allow a meat hunter to shoot the first buck they see? What if they see a spike first. I think Ohio has done fairly well. We have been a one buck state for at least my lifetime. No apr. No party hunting. Short gun season the week after thanksgiving. So true activity is reduce but still can happen. I'm 43. When I started hunting, doe tags were very limited. It grew into several doe tags were available in the high deer population counties. Those tags have been reduced somewhat the last couple of years. Some people shoot the first deer they see. Some people let deer grow. I think we have a good balance.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 7, 2017 7:09:27 GMT -6
I supported APRs but only because it was the only option. I'd much rather see higher deer numbers and no party hunting. If you have enough deer the trophy hunters can pass small bucks and actually see and kill some mature bucks while at the same time meat hunters can kill the first buck they see. If you have enough deer and limit the quantity of bucks one person can shoot the harvest will seek it's own level and become representative of the actual age structure of the herd. But you do have to get the numbers up and get some bucks past their first birthday, either by APRs or other limits placed on the hunter. In theory though you'd only have to do it for a couple years. I grew up hunting the same way BV, I miss the big group and the camp stuff sometimes. That is descriptive of the hunting on my old place. Each hunter in WI can shoot two bucks, but I don't think that many do it. I recently kind of got sick to my stomach looking through some trailcam pics from my old place. I had a number of pics of 2-5 year old buckseach of the last couple years I owned it. That should be what I have here...but thanks to more hunters than deer, I don't
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 7, 2017 7:26:47 GMT -6
I supported APRs but only because it was the only option. I'd much rather see higher deer numbers and no party hunting. If you have enough deer the trophy hunters can pass small bucks and actually see and kill some mature bucks while at the same time meat hunters can kill the first buck they see. If you have enough deer and limit the quantity of bucks one person can shoot the harvest will seek it's own level and become representative of the actual age structure of the herd. But you do have to get the numbers up and get some bucks past their first birthday, either by APRs or other limits placed on the hunter. In theory though you'd only have to do it for a couple years. I grew up hunting the same way BV, I miss the big group and the camp stuff sometimes. That is descriptive of the hunting on my old place. Each hunter in WI can shoot two bucks, but I don't think that many do it. I recently kind of got sick to my stomach looking through some trailcam pics from my old place. I had a number of pics of 2-5 year old buckseach of the last couple years I owned it. That should be what I have here...but thanks to more hunters than deer, I don't Our state of Mn. has some projected data on how the amount of sportsmen will decline in our state by 2050. The deer planning team has had some discussions of the 3 R's. Some of the team members feel this issue is not part of the deer planning. Anyway, by 2050, most of our states population will be metro and minority based. Most of the votes will be from people not involved in the harvest of fish or game in any way. As of now, only the Mung population has taken an active roll in our outoodr blood sports. Stu= you and I won't have to worry about the year 2050. I have mixed feelings on this 3R thing. It might just be inevitable for the population changes. I just wanted to present a view that was heard at the roundtable meetings and that has been discussed by the deer planning team.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 7, 2017 7:32:45 GMT -6
Our DNR is worrying about shit more than 30 years down the road? How ridiculous is that...
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 7, 2017 7:36:11 GMT -6
Our DNR is worrying about shit more than 30 years down the road? How ridiculous is that... I agree when they ignore more pertinent things. They worry about a few acres of foodplots on wildlife lands because of bees and butterflies, when the wildlife lands are surrounded by farmland. And the fact that most of this farmland has no feed for deer or other wildlife throughout the winter.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 7, 2017 7:40:10 GMT -6
The problem with planning on things 30 years down the road is that the government bases their current decisions on predictions. Maybe those predictions will be accurate, maybe they won't.
Seems like it would make sense to do their best to keep the current bunch of hunters happier than pigs in fresh shit so that the tradition of hunting being passed down continues.
I'm closer and closer to hanging up my hunting gear every year I live in this state.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 7, 2017 7:44:37 GMT -6
I hope to be able to shoot a (young) deer for the table every year of my life in Mn. Just my goal to have venison to eat.
CWD might change this goal. Younger venison has less chances of being infected.
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Post by kl9 on Feb 7, 2017 7:55:35 GMT -6
That is descriptive of the hunting on my old place. Each hunter in WI can shoot two bucks, but I don't think that many do it. I recently kind of got sick to my stomach looking through some trailcam pics from my old place. I had a number of pics of 2-5 year old buckseach of the last couple years I owned it. That should be what I have here...but thanks to more hunters than deer, I don't Our state of Mn. has some projected data on how the amount of sportsmen will decline in our state by 2050. The deer planning team has had some discussions of the 3 R's. Some of the team members feel this issue is not part of the deer planning. Anyway, by 2050, most of our states population will be metro and minority based. Most of the votes will be from people not involved in the harvest of fish or game in any way. As of now, only the Mung population has taken an active roll in our outoodr blood sports. Stu= you and I won't have to worry about the year 2050. I have mixed feelings on this 3R thing. It might just be inevitable for the population changes. I just wanted to present a view that was heard at the roundtable meetings and that has been discussed by the deer planning team. Can you elaborate on what you mean by only the Hmong have taken an active role? What exactly are they doing?
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Post by smsmith on Feb 7, 2017 8:01:16 GMT -6
The Hmong and Karen are stone cold deer killers. I think what Art is saying is that the DNR says white folks are going to continue to drop out of hunting and only the Hmong will continue to grow in number to fill their spots.
That of course is all based on some research, probably from UM, saying that is what will happen. Meanwhile, they really don't know shit.
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Post by wiscwhip on Feb 7, 2017 8:02:44 GMT -6
Who the hell is Karen?
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Post by smsmith on Feb 7, 2017 8:04:59 GMT -6
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Post by wiscwhip on Feb 7, 2017 8:09:07 GMT -6
Ah, I had only ever heard the term Kariang used in relation to these people, thanks. I thought Karen was referring to one of the kill-'em-all folks at the MN DNR! It is written by the ancients and yet it is still true. Women. You cannot walk with them and yet you cannot club them. - Lothar(of the hill people) www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/lothar-of-the-hill-people/n9828
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Post by buckvelvet on Feb 7, 2017 8:52:45 GMT -6
I wish I had better video of my property in early season, I can see 40-80 deer depending on the night, rifle season it slims down because of all the shooting. I will try my best to take a better video this year sometime in September to show that I'm not full of shit. We have a lot of deer around here i just don't understand the limits. Now we have had 2 mild winters (counting this one) the population is booming.
I can go shining here at night (one of the last great hunting traditions left) with my friends in October and we can see a few hundred just in a square block. Yet the DNR says we are losing the heard and give out less anterless tags while pushing the APR.
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