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Post by kl9 on Dec 12, 2017 6:41:11 GMT -6
Still waiting for your proof gov't is buying land at inflated prices down here Just something I heard. Not of any real concern to me. I won't be providing any 'proof' Fair enough. It's not that I don't believe you that it could very well happen, it's that I have not seen it yet and if I've missed it I would like to know.
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Post by coop on Dec 12, 2017 6:49:55 GMT -6
Still waiting for your proof gov't is buying land at inflated prices down here Just something I heard. Not of any real concern to me. I won't be providing any 'proof' I may have missed the beginning of this interaction. I think I can provide proof that the Nature Conservancy is buying land in SE MN for top of the market pricing. Is that something anybody is interested in? It’s no secret.
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Post by kl9 on Dec 12, 2017 6:54:16 GMT -6
They paid $3400/acre for a piece around lanesboro a couple months ago. Think it was 120ish acres and had quite a lot of tillable. I thought that was market pricing... maybe I'm wrong?
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Post by coop on Dec 12, 2017 7:06:51 GMT -6
I think they do their best to negotiate the best price possible, like anybody else. But I know from personal experience that they have been willing to pay more than “market” by virtue of the fact that they’ve bought 1000’s of acres in the last 5 years. They paid $5,500/acre for 1400 acres of most rough ground a mile East of Choice. They exercised a First Right of Refusal on a purchase agreement of mine on an acreage with a house. They’ve since abandon the house and own the land for $12,500/acre. They offer my buddy $5,500/acre after his piece sat on the market for a year generating 1 offer at $3,600/acre.
I’ll email a link you might find interesting later in this AM.
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Post by daydreamer on Dec 12, 2017 7:43:36 GMT -6
What are they doing with this land?? Or don't I want to know?
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Post by kl9 on Dec 12, 2017 7:45:14 GMT -6
Good to know Coop. I've only been following it the previous 18 months or so... so that would prob explain it
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 12, 2017 8:16:10 GMT -6
What are they doing with this land?? Or don't I want to know? My guess? Selling it to the state for 10% more?
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Post by coop on Dec 12, 2017 10:44:25 GMT -6
So on the surface the Nature Conservancy's mission sounds great. But here are the realities of their "saving these lands from private ownership". 1) The Nature Conservancy goes thru a process that I haven't taken the time to understand basically giving these lands to the State of MN. TNC uses public money to remove land from the tax base of whatever county the land resides in and gives the land to the state. Its a vehicle for the state to buy land - without showing that they bought land.
2) The notion that the MN DNR is a better steward of the land than private citizens is situational at best. I have walked most of the public land within 12 miles of Choice MN. It is typically infested with Buckthorn and garbage. Their conservation practices are cumbersome, costly, and largely ineffective. Most often focused on non-game species. 3) TNC has an internal policy that allows them to purchase land for 120% of the appraised value.
4) On their website, they claim to work with private landowners to achieve their conservation goals. This is complete B.S. In my dealings with them, I offered them easements and deed restrictions in return for them not exercising their first right of refusal. They weren't interested.
5) During our interaction I asked to see a break down of their funding sources. My request was denied.
6) The guy who lives across the street from TNC's recent purchase East of Choice has been asking for a new bridge over the South Fork for 40 years. In 2015, shortly after TNC closed, he got a new 2 million dollar bridge and a parking lot. Dude's lived on a dead-end rd all his life and now he has a 15 stall parking lot directly in front of his house. Its a bullshit way to treat people. www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/minnesota/placesweprotect/index.htm - The amount of land shown in this illustration is significantly less than I thought they had purchased. I suspect that numerous recent acquisitions aren't shown here. www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/minnesota/explore/rivers-of-southeast-minnesota.xmlIts a complicated issue. I know they do some good but they were dog-shit to work with.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 12, 2017 10:50:07 GMT -6
There are some farms in SE MN that could be bought and paid for through CREP, they have to have tillable, and you have to wait one year to put the program in CREP. I know they are getting more desperate for CREP sign ups right now.
If you see a tillable farm with creek going through it, or wet spots/tile, and it is not a terrible price, CREP is way to have the government pay for your farm. I have done this with RIM, (similar).
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 12, 2017 12:05:56 GMT -6
So on the surface the Nature Conservancy's mission sounds great. But here are the realities of their "saving these lands from private ownership". 1) The Nature Conservancy goes thru a process that I haven't taken the time to understand basically giving these lands to the State of MN. TNC uses public money to remove land from the tax base of whatever county the land residents in and give the land to the state. Its a vehicle for the state to buy land - without showing that they bought land.
2) The notion that the MN DNR is a better steward of the land than private citizens is situational at best. I have walked most of the public land within 12 miles of Choice MN. It is typically infested with Buckthorn and garbage. Their conservation practices are cumbersome, costly, and largely ineffective. Most often focused on non-game species. 3) TNC has an internal policy that allows them to purchase land for 120% of the appraised value.
4) On their website, they claim to work with private landowners to achieve their conservation goals. This is complete B.S. In my dealings with them, I offered them easements and deed restrictions in return for them not exercising their first right of refusal. They weren't interested.
5) During our interaction I asked to see a break down of their funding sources. My request was denied.
6) The guy who lives across the street from TNC's recent purchase East of Choice has been asking for a new bridge over the South Fork for 40 years. In 2015, shortly after TNC closed, he got a new 2 million dollar bridge and a parking lot. Dude's lived on a dead-end rd all his life and now he has a 15 stall parking lot directly in front of his house. Its a bullshit way to treat people. www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/minnesota/placesweprotect/index.htm - The amount of land shown in this illustration is significantly less than I thought they had purchased. I suspect that numerous recent acquisitions aren't shown here. www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/minnesota/explore/rivers-of-southeast-minnesota.xmlIts a complicated issue. I know they do some good but they were dog-shit to work with. Make no mistake, the race is on to get private property owners off the forested lands of MN. Its stated in every report they put out about resource management. And it's about 2/3 done already. Next step is to drive hunting into the ground and keep the gas on acquisition fueled by the farce that public hunting will be great if we just buy a little more land.
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Post by mnfish on Dec 12, 2017 13:07:51 GMT -6
So on the surface the Nature Conservancy's mission sounds great. But here are the realities of their "saving these lands from private ownership". 1) The Nature Conservancy goes thru a process that I haven't taken the time to understand basically giving these lands to the State of MN. TNC uses public money to remove land from the tax base of whatever county the land resides in and gives the land to the state. Its a vehicle for the state to buy land - without showing that they bought land.
2) The notion that the MN DNR is a better steward of the land than private citizens is situational at best. I have walked most of the public land within 12 miles of Choice MN. It is typically infested with Buckthorn and garbage. Their conservation practices are cumbersome, costly, and largely ineffective. Most often focused on non-game species. 3) TNC has an internal policy that allows them to purchase land for 120% of the appraised value.
4) On their website, they claim to work with private landowners to achieve their conservation goals. This is complete B.S. In my dealings with them, I offered them easements and deed restrictions in return for them not exercising their first right of refusal. They weren't interested.
5) During our interaction I asked to see a break down of their funding sources. My request was denied.
6) The guy who lives across the street from TNC's recent purchase East of Choice has been asking for a new bridge over the South Fork for 40 years. In 2015, shortly after TNC closed, he got a new 2 million dollar bridge and a parking lot. Dude's lived on a dead-end rd all his life and now he has a 15 stall parking lot directly in front of his house. Its a bullshit way to treat people. www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/minnesota/placesweprotect/index.htm - The amount of land shown in this illustration is significantly less than I thought they had purchased. I suspect that numerous recent acquisitions aren't shown here. www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/minnesota/explore/rivers-of-southeast-minnesota.xmlIts a complicated issue. I know they do some good but they were dog-shit to work with. GREAT POST! Thank you
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 12, 2017 15:04:42 GMT -6
The Nature Conservancy bought a parcel 90 acres in Pope County. It borders a State Park (off limits) to hunting. The guys that used to lease it shot really nice bucks off it. The NC bough it and came in took out all the undergrowth then opened it to public hunting.
There is hardly a deer on it anymore. Another guy that I know that borders it, is thinking of selling now, because of trespassing issues. What was once a great property is void of wildlife now.
What I would give to have bought that farm back in 06, I think it was. It was a perfect parcel for big bucks.
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Post by wiscwhip on Dec 12, 2017 15:06:54 GMT -6
They do the same shit over here in SW WI under the guise of "conserving the Driftless Area goat prairies" or some shit like that.
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Post by benmnwi on Dec 12, 2017 15:21:51 GMT -6
I have a friend who has killed some good bucks on the TNC properties, so it's not all bad. I hope they buy more land down here, it would be nice to have more public hunting opportunities in this area.
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Post by wiscwhip on Dec 12, 2017 15:41:02 GMT -6
I have a friend who has killed some good bucks on the TNC properties, so it's not all bad. I hope they buy more land down here, it would be nice to have more public hunting opportunities in this area. While I would agree that the more public land opportunities the better(says the non-landowner of the group), one has to be careful what you wish for as far as deer hunting is concerned. In WI we now have DMAP and even "public" lands can be enrolled in the program. If the DNR wanted to push the "overpopulation" issue on these lands, all they would have to do is "suggest" to the folks who control these properties at TNC, that the deer are hurting the non-game species and forest understory, and these lands would be enrolled at the expense of the herd and the hunters. It would be all out war on the deer if that happened.
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