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Post by Sandbur on Dec 13, 2017 4:21:48 GMT -6
I also have to applaud MDHA for preserving some of these forest lands up by satchmo in Cass County. Good thing for the environment and for hunters versus potato land.
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Post by Reagan on Dec 13, 2017 6:15:14 GMT -6
Don’t let a corrupt DNR in a liberal state affect your view on all public land.
Public is vital to western state hunting. I️ have never killed an elk on private. But can do it on public. I’ll never afford an elk hunt on good private ground.
Ohio has some decent public deer hunting. I️ don’t deer hunt it because I️ have better places. But it is open for others to enjoy.
Game hogs and the stories about people exceeding their limits is a symptom of lack of law enforcement. Have laws that protect the resources and enforce them. If you don’t, you are screwed regardless of who owns the land.
Eliminating all public land would be a disaster in this country. There is a lot more to be considered than the state of MN.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 13, 2017 7:55:49 GMT -6
I agree we need public land. Someone/group has to manage it.
It's terrible here. Agree it's a state by state issue. Land out west is vital.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 13, 2017 8:28:11 GMT -6
Those of you that want all these lands to be private can look at adjacent sections of irrigated crop land. Which is better for our lifestyle? I’ll take Some of these parcels of private land. I’m not against public hunting land as an idea, I’m against the way it’s being done now. I think public hunting land should be aggressively expanded, quickly, and access metered out so the lands are safeguarded from being pillaged to nothing. This can be done without the state having to buy the land and for far less than the hundred million a year we’re blowing now. But access was never the agenda, it never will be, and we’re losing the sport because of it.
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Post by Satchmo on Dec 13, 2017 8:44:34 GMT -6
I also have to applaud MDHA for preserving some of these forest lands up by satchmo in Cass County. Good thing for the environment and for hunters versus potato land. Absolutely Art. If you look at the image below, you will see what can happen to land that was formerly open to the public (Potlatch land) and then is sold off to corporate interests. If guys think that the Nature Conservancy buying things up is the worst thing that can happen, you are dead wrong. These lands have all been stripped bare and had center pivot irrigation put in, all for the sake of potato chips. As much as I disagree with many positions of the MDHA, they truly did the sportsmen and women of this state a solid in Cass, Hubbard, & Wadena counties. Poorly managed forest land is still far better than this crap. At least there is something to work with in the future.
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Post by batman on Dec 13, 2017 8:51:44 GMT -6
Still can't warm to the thought of more govt land being the answer to anything.
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Post by batman on Dec 13, 2017 8:57:28 GMT -6
If we had the people who used the land pay user fees to finance it what would we have for public land? Is that not the real measure of value - what people will pay for something? All that cash we pay for Pittman etc appears to be nothing more than a tax now. Grazing cows and butterflies?
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Post by wiscwhip on Dec 13, 2017 14:15:19 GMT -6
If we had the people who used the land pay user fees to finance it what would we have for public land? Is that not the real measure of value - what people will pay for something? All that cash we pay for Pittman etc appears to be nothing more than a tax now. Grazing cows and butterflies? ???Pittman–Robertson has never been anything but a tax, so not sure where you were going with that?
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Post by Satchmo on Dec 13, 2017 15:06:04 GMT -6
If we had the people who used the land pay user fees to finance it what would we have for public land? Is that not the real measure of value - what people will pay for something? All that cash we pay for Pittman etc appears to be nothing more than a tax now. Grazing cows and butterflies? We do pay for it in more ways than we know. Are we getting our money's worth....... probably not. Certainly not when it comes to managing a lot of our state owned lands. The other sources of public land are a better bargain IMHO. Logging is the single most productive thing that can be done for wildlife in our timbered areas. The least productive thing is letting our DNR manage that wildlife.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 18, 2017 8:18:50 GMT -6
I’ll admit, I’ve checked out on the CWD issue, so forgive me if I missed something here. Wasn’t the surprise January hunt later cancelled after a process uproar? And now it’s back on and there are no limits or restrictions?
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Post by kl9 on Dec 18, 2017 8:20:52 GMT -6
I’ll admit, I’ve checked out on the CWD issue, so forgive me if I missed something here. Wasn’t the surprise January hunt later cancelled after a process uproar? And now it’s back on and there are no limits or restrictions? It was cancelled for everywhere except the CWD zone, which always had the Jan hunt planned.
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Post by coop on Dec 18, 2017 17:49:55 GMT -6
I’ll admit, I’ve checked out on the CWD issue, so forgive me if I missed something here. Wasn’t the surprise January hunt later cancelled after a process uproar? And now it’s back on and there are no limits or restrictions? It was cancelled for everywhere except the CWD zone, which always had the Jan hunt planned. And the DNR quietly increased the size of area 603 roughly 20%. The increase takes effect during the January hunt.
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Post by kl9 on Dec 18, 2017 17:55:48 GMT -6
It was cancelled for everywhere except the CWD zone, which always had the Jan hunt planned. And the DNR quietly increased the size of area 603 roughly 20%. The increase takes effect during the January hunt. Another example of how the DNR deals largely under the table.
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Post by batman on Dec 18, 2017 18:04:30 GMT -6
I thought it almost doubled?
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Post by Freeborn on Dec 18, 2017 20:11:44 GMT -6
I also have to applaud MDHA for preserving some of these forest lands up by satchmo in Cass County. Good thing for the environment and for hunters versus potato land. Absolutely Art. If you look at the image below, you will see what can happen to land that was formerly open to the public (Potlatch land) and then is sold off to corporate interests. If guys think that the Nature Conservancy buying things up is the worst thing that can happen, you are dead wrong. These lands have all been stripped bare and had center pivot irrigation put in, all for the sake of potato chips. As much as I disagree with many positions of the MDHA, they truly did the sportsmen and women of this state a solid in Cass, Hubbard, & Wadena counties. Poorly managed forest land is still far better than this crap. At least there is something to work with in the future. That is an incredible aerial photo, it makes me concerned about the water hydrology of that area. I do have an issue of growers cashing in on the aquifer. I see my neighbors powering thousands of gallons of water on sandy soil just so they can increase their bottom line. I don't have any idea what the cost to society is but it concerns me. With that in mind I would prefer government buy land than have the kind of Ag density I see in that Aerial photo.
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