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Post by wiscwhip on Feb 10, 2017 9:48:48 GMT -6
Our antlerless tags are also issued by ownership type, meaning that when I apply for a tag, I get a Juneau Co/Forest Zone/Public Land tag. Someone like Kabic for example would get a Trempealeau Co/Farmland Zone/Private Lands tag. In my area, our population is low, so tags for public lands are very limited, in kabic's case, they have a few deer around and thus have a very high number of antlerless tags issued.
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Post by biglakebass on Feb 10, 2017 9:52:38 GMT -6
Brilliant. Thats exactly what makes sense. Our big gam DNR is just plain incompetent is all I can come up with.
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Post by wiscwhip on Feb 10, 2017 9:54:17 GMT -6
I am with stu on this and I HIGHLY doubt you will get any of it, but it is what you need to properly manage deer in today's more social based management climate.
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Post by biglakebass on Feb 10, 2017 10:02:00 GMT -6
I am with both of you. I dont think we will get shit for managmenet changes. Extremely frustrating that with small changes, they could collect some solid data.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 10, 2017 13:15:32 GMT -6
I just want to clarify that a position on MN deer numbers. For the most part I agree with the pass a doe, let the herd grow. In some cases that can be a detriment to areas with high deer numbers. My county (Pope) is hardly a deer mecca, but we do have 7-8 townships that are full of deer. There are pockets of high deer numbers. On my 40 acre parcel, I border a 800 acre block of timber call Barsness Woods. This is where I get my name (Bwoods). We have hunted here since 1995, my dad bought this place and we love it. Great cover, the largest block of woods in he county. It is mixed with some CRP, and sloughs, surrounded by crop fields. At one time in the 1990's there were 250 deer wintering in this woods. My guess as of right now, probably 125-150. The neighbor had 77 in his organic alfalfa one evening. We also own 52 acres south of small town (Terrace) that area is as good of deer country as Iowa (deer numbers-not racks) although big bucks are shot every year. The farm we own borders 480 acres of the nicest cover I have personally ever seen. Oaks, deep draws, cattail sloughs, private lake, CRP. Incredible stuff. I plant 5 acres of food plots and I draw the deer out off his land...this guy only hunts one weekend. My son Jake counted 48 deer--46 does and two bucks--in our beans one evening in December. Even in September we see 12-25 deer per night. With the high deer numbers, we feel we have to harvest a few does, which we have. With another fairly mild winter, I would guess that we are looking at higher numbers again next fall. I've got friends in the same boat. A lot of does, and a handful of bucks. Management for this situation is tricky and I am hesitant to talk about this because of the MDDI, but I just wanted to let you know my situation and why I feel a bit differently about doe harvest than some of your guys. It is really regional, as parts of our county have limited cover and not many deer. Just had to get that off my chest. Here is a typical pic of late season food plots.... free jpg pictures
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Post by wiscwhip on Feb 10, 2017 13:22:48 GMT -6
So it sounds very much like you could us some type of micromanagement in that situation.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 10, 2017 13:25:20 GMT -6
Are you shooting as many does as you legally can?
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 10, 2017 13:33:36 GMT -6
We filled our tags, with exception of my son who plays BB and can't make it back to hunt much. So yes, and I am not asking for managed or anything like that. A landowner doe tag without the (allow public hunting) would be just about right. We were Hunters Choice, which is still one deer.
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Post by wildfire123 on Feb 10, 2017 16:48:31 GMT -6
Went to the meeting last night, question asked by most tables- 9 of them, was how much money from deer license actually goes for deer. The DNR had a chart, that explained where the money went. 600,000 licenses sold, for income of 18 million dollars. 2.4 millions went for 4 dnr programs. After that the rest of the money goes into a fund- pittman robertson- was one of the ones that went into a fund of 118 million. From this the deer get + more money than the dnr gets from license sales. So the money spent from licenses, actually only 2.4 million from license sales. An accountant would have trouble figuring how much is actually spent. The old saying figures never lie, but liars can use smokescreen to prove their agenda. Same old story, how could anyone not believe the bull shi.
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Post by leexrayshady on Feb 10, 2017 16:59:13 GMT -6
I'm sorry wildfire, I don't follow?
Deer license sales-18 million Of which 2.4 million is spent on deer? And what about Pittman funds?
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 10, 2017 17:48:13 GMT -6
I had talked with Brooks about suggesting formation of volunteer site guys that could go out to affected property owners to assess whether they needed a localized solution to high deer numbers. For example if a pine plantation is getting chewed up, why not go take 10-20 out of a one mile radius vs making 1000 square miles intensive harvest?
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Post by biglakebass on Feb 10, 2017 18:05:28 GMT -6
Makes too much sense for a group of senseless people to do...
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Post by biglakebass on Feb 10, 2017 18:08:12 GMT -6
Jerry I am struggling to understand the numbers as well.
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Post by mnaaron on Feb 10, 2017 18:36:10 GMT -6
^^^ me too
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 10, 2017 20:18:02 GMT -6
I asked about funding at the Roundtable meeting and was told that anything pheasant habitat project they do helps deer. Smoke and screens.
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