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Post by batman on Mar 27, 2019 13:08:50 GMT -6
Batman - which is more work; high fence or free range habitat work? nh - I grew up hunting KS long before they opened the boarders to NR. It's been a big change for sure, completely changed the hunting culture here. Of course a lot of that blame is on hunting shows, marketing, and the internet. Biggest diff for me is I can Accomplish my goals on a fraction of the real estate without worrying about my neighbors or the states activities and goals. Timber work is much much less. Plots still fun and actually only feed my deer. Family voted unanimous to keep preserve and ditch my wild holdings.
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 27, 2019 13:15:53 GMT -6
I love it when guys 'lose their land to hunt' because someone who sees value pays the landowner for the right. I like calling them socialists. Really pisses them off. And habitat work is so far from a high fence its crazy talk. The fence allows you to manage. Habitat work often barely moves the needle. You would think so. But imagine how far we are from a no-prep hunter on public ground. It’s sounds barbaric.
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Post by Catscratch on Mar 27, 2019 13:19:53 GMT -6
Batman - which is more work; high fence or free range habitat work? nh - I grew up hunting KS long before they opened the boarders to NR. It's been a big change for sure, completely changed the hunting culture here. Of course a lot of that blame is on hunting shows, marketing, and the internet. Biggest diff for me is I can Accomplish my goals on a fraction of the real estate without worrying about my neighbors or the states activities and goals. Timber work is much much less. I can Use more of the parcel for pheasant/squirrel/4 wheeler etc if I want. No need to tiptoe unless it’s hunting season. I suspected that was the answer but didn't know. Figured progress would be much easier to attain, and it would require less work than without a fence. There is a high fence near my parents place, the only thing I've ever seen them do was fill the feeders.
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Post by jbird on Mar 27, 2019 14:20:47 GMT -6
It's just like with anything else... How far do you want to push it and make it a priority? And people all along the way are going to complain because YOU made it a higher priority than they did!
We see this all the time...it's all a matter of what you choose to spend your money on and put your time into. Do you want to make payments on a $75,000 pick up truck or use that money and spend it on buying 20 acres? Far more people in our society will value that truck more...and that is fine....that's their CHOICE!
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Post by buckvelvet on Mar 27, 2019 14:34:58 GMT -6
I shed hunted on a 'deer farm' for 3 years (2016-2018), place had food plot work, oak savannas, cedar swamps, & thick pines. All in what we Michiganian's call a square 640, is that the same everywhere? I do food plots where I hunt but I don't own it, it's family land on my wife's side. It's where I planted my orchard. All of my work tree planting specifically will feed deer but it's just for my own amusement.
Quite frankly it sickens my that someone can make that statement. I don't mean the user that posted it, I mean the fact that we are literally in that position. Why do the internet bad asses, hunting shows, magazines, social media large dicks get to decide what is 'junk'. If Fred Eichler wants to shoot a flipping spike horn, who gives a crap why is that 'junk'.
All the penis envy involved in hunting these days is the reason why I don't really talk to many people about deer hunting anymore.
I've seen this image around Facebook the last 2 years every once and awhile and none of it could be more true.
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Post by Catscratch on Mar 27, 2019 17:43:12 GMT -6
I shed hunted on a 'deer farm' for 3 years (2016-2018), place had food plot work, oak savannas, cedar swamps, & thick pines. All in what we Michiganian's call a square 640, is that the same everywhere? I do food plots where I hunt but I don't own it, it's family land on my wife's side. It's where I planted my orchard. All of my work tree planting specifically will feed deer but it's just for my own amusement.
Quite frankly it sickens my that someone can make that statement. I don't mean the user that posted it, I mean the fact that we are literally in that position. Why do the internet bad asses, hunting shows, magazines, social media large dicks get to decide what is 'junk'. If Fred Eichler wants to shoot a flipping spike horn, who gives a crap why is that 'junk'.
All the penis envy involved in hunting these days is the reason why I don't really talk to many people about deer hunting anymore.
I've seen this image around Facebook the last 2 years every once and awhile and none of it could be more true.
Buck, when I made that statement it was in terms of land that isn't junk, not deer. With that said I agree with you completely, people should be happy to shoot whatever they want and not be shamed or apprehensive about shooting something sub-par (in their opinion). Horn porn has created a monster in the hunting community and everyone is doing a dick measuring contest. That's why I seldom measure the deer I shoot and never measure the kids's deer (even though I'm always after the biggest deer I can get, no point in measuring it to piss on someone else's cheerios). I think the only time we've measured a deer was when someone asked me to or wanted to know. I don't like the current hunting culture compared to the "old days". I get it that money and capitalism favors certain people. It is no big deal because all of life is like that. I don't complain about not being able to afford a lease or more land. I don't complain about the neighbor putting out tons of corn. I have the exact same opportunity as they do.... but with that said it's sad that the hunting culture I grew up with is so far removed now.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 27, 2019 19:00:08 GMT -6
I was having a talk with a friend of mine from back home this morning. He hunts primarily public ground, and some very limited private ground with permission. He doesn't enter the realm of extreme habitat manipulation, or even food plots. He made a comment I thought was very interesting, and quite possibly very accurate. Here's what he said: "Land owners doing this extreme habitat stuff are just deer farms without a fence." Have we blurred the lines that far with timber manipulation, orchards, NWSG, conifers, plot exclusions, barricades and mega-sized corn plots in the woods? From a guy's perspective like that, I can absolutely see where he's coming from. I know I have blood on my hands with what I have done with gypsum, clover, and small grains research. I have the same guilt as the guy that created the Kuerig. Sounds like a guy who has no clue on how things work and over simplifies the situation. Most habitat guys make the best of the situation there in, they can't hold deer captive until they get the results they want.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 27, 2019 19:22:04 GMT -6
I’ll just have to plant more trees so they don’t know what I have!
For me it is a hobby, it’s not just for the deer and turkey.
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Post by Tooln on Mar 27, 2019 19:34:35 GMT -6
Like above it's not all about the deer. For me it's therapy. I can spend all day working in the plot or trails and I feel more relaxed and rested. Spend 9 hour behind the clock and it a whole different story.
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Post by biglakebass on Mar 27, 2019 19:55:47 GMT -6
I used to burn most of a summer doing it all. Enjoyed the hell out of many hours..... got frustrated many hours having no help. Still enjoyed it over all. now, its time to get back to the lake more. Lets fish!
Having new graphs and trolling motor installed next week. Several years of fishing less than a handful of times a year just doesnt cut it.
I think my fishing plan is working. I shot my first buck in 17 years last year, and it was the first year I didnt do shit on the farm. Maybe I was just fucking it all up being there too much? Eh??
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 28, 2019 5:57:52 GMT -6
I used to burn most of a summer doing it all. Enjoyed the hell out of many hours..... got frustrated many hours having no help. Still enjoyed it over all. now, its time to get back to the lake more. Lets fish! Having new graphs and trolling motor installed next week. Several years of fishing less than a handful of times a year just doesnt cut it. I think my fishing plan is working. I shot my first buck in 17 years last year, and it was the first year I didnt do shit on the farm. Maybe I was just fucking it all up being there too much? Eh?? I will be looking for a cheap guide.
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Post by Reagan on Mar 28, 2019 15:10:47 GMT -6
SD,
How many hours have you hunted your place without having an opportunity to kill a deer? Is there a deer farm anywhere that would require the same amount of hunting hours for a shot opportunity?
Your friend has no idea what he is talking about.
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Post by batman on Mar 28, 2019 16:14:43 GMT -6
Like above it's not all about the deer. For me it's therapy. I can spend all day working in the plot or trails and I feel more relaxed and rested. Spend 9 hour behind the clock and it a whole different story. Is it still relaxing when the guns start blazing opening morning of gun season?
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Post by Reagan on Mar 28, 2019 16:39:02 GMT -6
No it’s not. That’s my reason #237 why I get it done with a bow.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 28, 2019 16:52:42 GMT -6
Like above it's not all about the deer. For me it's therapy. I can spend all day working in the plot or trails and I feel more relaxed and rested. Spend 9 hour behind the clock and it a whole different story. Is it still relaxing when the guns start blazing opening morning of gun season? It is somewhat relaxing and by the third day it is very enjoyable.
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