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Post by Freeborn on Mar 28, 2020 9:55:31 GMT -6
Too much competition from other plants can steal moisture and reduce corn yield on sand. I would only try it on a small portion of the field. Each year will be different depending on August rains or lack of them. This would be planted after the corn would be at V7 stage. I'm reading of success with cover crops planted around this time. Sounds like the cover crop gets started but growth slows with shade. Once the corn dries down the cover crop starts to grow again. if The berseem would germinate I could see this providing a late food source and nitrogen for next years crop. I haven't had much success broadcasting grains but I thought maybe the smaller clover seed might germinate better. Rain is key.
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 28, 2020 10:05:03 GMT -6
Too much competition from other plants can steal moisture and reduce corn yield on sand. I would only try it on a small portion of the field. Each year will be different depending on August rains or lack of them. I think you've got to break the plant groups apart and differentiate between complimenters and competitors. This is an opportunity to use one of my top three favorite words: Carbon. The frontier on resilience, biological control of weeds/bugs/disease, and reduced input costs has arrived at relay cropping. Corn is a high carbon crop, soybeans are a low carbon crop. When you compliment (balance) with a relay crop or intercrop, you can potentially increase yield and resilience. There is some really cool footage in this video of Jason Mauck harvesting wheat above his living soybean crop, and he's projecting bumper soybean yields from this. There are big things happening in these trials with big gaps between rows where sun can hit the entire plant.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 28, 2020 10:26:11 GMT -6
Too much competition from other plants can steal moisture and reduce corn yield on sand. I would only try it on a small portion of the field. Each year will be different depending on August rains or lack of them. This would be planted after the corn would be at V7 stage. I'm reading of success with cover crops planted around this time. Sounds like the cover crop gets started but growth slows with shade. Once the corn dries down the cover crop starts to grow again. if The berseem would germinate I could see this providing a late food source and nitrogen for next years crop. I haven't had much success broadcasting grains but I thought maybe the smaller clover seed might germinate better. Rain is key. Your knowledge and SD’s are beyond me. I don’t know what V7 is.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 28, 2020 12:10:02 GMT -6
This would be planted after the corn would be at V7 stage. I'm reading of success with cover crops planted around this time. Sounds like the cover crop gets started but growth slows with shade. Once the corn dries down the cover crop starts to grow again. if The berseem would germinate I could see this providing a late food source and nitrogen for next years crop. I haven't had much success broadcasting grains but I thought maybe the smaller clover seed might germinate better. Rain is key. Your knowledge and SD’s are beyond me. I don’t know what V7 is. Me either. I do know I've had zero luck broadcasting seed on sand without covering it somehow.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 28, 2020 13:53:32 GMT -6
Too much competition from other plants can steal moisture and reduce corn yield on sand. I would only try it on a small portion of the field. Each year will be different depending on August rains or lack of them. I think you've got to break the plant groups apart and differentiate between complimenters and competitors. This is an opportunity to use one of my top three favorite words: Carbon. The frontier on resilience, biological control of weeds/bugs/disease, and reduced input costs has arrived at relay cropping. Corn is a high carbon crop, soybeans are a low carbon crop. When you compliment (balance) with a relay crop or intercrop, you can potentially increase yield and resilience. There is some really cool footage in this video of Jason Mauck harvesting wheat above his living soybean crop, and he's projecting bumper soybean yields from this. There are big things happening in these trials with big gaps between rows where sun can hit the entire plant. I like the concept I wonder how his P&L looks at the end of the season? i also wonder how he is controlling weeds with two different crops. with my limited quipment, time and soils I have to find something practical. Broadcasting anything on bare ground requires rain so I might just broadcast if I have rain or skip it if I don't.
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Post by Bob on Mar 28, 2020 14:05:38 GMT -6
I think you've got to break the plant groups apart and differentiate between complimenters and competitors. This is an opportunity to use one of my top three favorite words: Carbon. The frontier on resilience, biological control of weeds/bugs/disease, and reduced input costs has arrived at relay cropping. Corn is a high carbon crop, soybeans are a low carbon crop. When you compliment (balance) with a relay crop or intercrop, you can potentially increase yield and resilience. There is some really cool footage in this video of Jason Mauck harvesting wheat above his living soybean crop, and he's projecting bumper soybean yields from this. There are big things happening in these trials with big gaps between rows where sun can hit the entire plant. I like the concept I wonder how his P&L looks at the end of the season? i also wonder how he is controlling weeds with two different crops. with my limited quipment, time and soils I have to find something practical. Broadcasting anything on bare ground requires rain so I might just broadcast if I have rain or skip it if I don't. I wonder that myself. I would bet his weed pressure isn't as bad with two crops out there. Have you ever tried broadcasting on your sand in spring when it's cold? I've got another guy I've been trying to talk into broadcasting barley on a beach plot, but haven't won him over yet. I offered to front 100% of the $13 bag of barley to try it. I wanna split my plot berm in two and broadcast oats on one half, barley on the other, at a thin rate. Then I'd come over the top with a light rate of annual clover and flax to see if I can get it to come this early. Also gotta seed the hoog down with the same mix. If it comes in, I'm hoping for enough room in early to mid May to plant pumpkins and squash into it.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 28, 2020 14:32:05 GMT -6
I like the concept I wonder how his P&L looks at the end of the season? i also wonder how he is controlling weeds with two different crops. with my limited quipment, time and soils I have to find something practical. Broadcasting anything on bare ground requires rain so I might just broadcast if I have rain or skip it if I don't. I wonder that myself. I would bet his weed pressure isn't as bad with two crops out there. Have you ever tried broadcasting on your sand in spring when it's cold? I've got another guy I've been trying to talk into broadcasting barley on a beach plot, but haven't won him over yet. I offered to front 100% of the $13 bag of barley to try it. I wanna split my plot berm in two and broadcast oats on one half, barley on the other, at a thin rate. Then I'd come over the top with a light rate of annual clover and flax to see if I can get it to come this early. Also gotta seed the hoog down with the same mix. If it comes in, I'm hoping for enough room in early to mid May to plant pumpkins and squash into it. I think I could Drill early and get a good stand of allot of things. I could Drill clover/grains in April and plant my corn/beans in May. I'd have to terminate the cover crop or it would out compete the cash crop. They need to create a way to delay a cover crops germination by a month so you could Drill in one pass.
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Post by Freeborn on Jul 22, 2020 5:19:47 GMT -6
For you guys who plant Berseem for a fall draw when do you plant? Mo indicated 6-8 weeks to get some forage so I am thinking this coming Saturday. It seems early but it’s almost the end of July.
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Post by kooch on Sept 12, 2020 12:05:35 GMT -6
For you guys who plant Berseem for a fall draw when do you plant? Mo indicated 6-8 weeks to get some forage so I am thinking this coming Saturday. It seems early but it’s almost the end of July. My plot is heavy with Frosty Berseem this year, planted in Spring during that early thaw this year along with too many oats. I mowed off my oats in the first week of July. Since then, the berseem has really dominated. There's Fixation Balanansa in there too, but the berseem is really outworking it. The clover and weeds shaded out most of my brassica crop that I spread before I mowed. I'll post here and let ya'll know if it's still green come gun season. This is mostly Berseem.
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Post by Freeborn on Sept 12, 2020 21:08:41 GMT -6
For you guys who plant Berseem for a fall draw when do you plant? Mo indicated 6-8 weeks to get some forage so I am thinking this coming Saturday. It seems early but it’s almost the end of July. My plot is heavy with Frosty Berseem this year, planted in Spring during that early thaw this year along with too many oats. I mowed off my oats in the first week of July. Since then, the berseem has really dominated. There's Fixation Balanansa in there too, but the berseem is really outworking it. The clover and weeds shaded out most of my brassica crop that I spread before I mowed. I'll post here and let ya'll know if it's still green come gun season. This is mostly Berseem. How tall is that clover? Looks 12” or better. Looks like the deer are browsing it. Does attraction change after a frost or later in the season?
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Post by kooch on Sept 15, 2020 10:19:46 GMT -6
It's about knee high in spots. There is sparse brassica in there too and a lot of weeds. This is the South half of my plot. I don't have any idea what's going to happen when it gets cold. There have been a couple night frosts already and the North half of my plot (where I've got a camera) is still bright green. But, that end is Trefoil/Alsike/Medium Red. It's a crapshoot. We'll see when I'm up there again. That might not be until gun season in Nov.
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Post by Freeborn on Sept 28, 2020 15:08:38 GMT -6
It's about knee high in spots. There is sparse brassica in there too and a lot of weeds. This is the South half of my plot. I don't have any idea what's going to happen when it gets cold. There have been a couple night frosts already and the North half of my plot (where I've got a camera) is still bright green. But, that end is Trefoil/Alsike/Medium Red. It's a crapshoot. We'll see when I'm up there again. That might not be until gun season in Nov. How is your frosty Berseem doing? I planted mine later than I wanted, approx. 8/10, and it looks OK but not allot of tonnage yet. I'm hoping I get a couple more weeks or more of growth. I thought I read where it will survive down to 15 degrees but will frost end any growth? Hoping even with some frost it will put on a little more growth.
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Post by kooch on Sept 28, 2020 16:53:00 GMT -6
Green as can be, knee high, and mostly untouched. Might be my ace in the hole. Some brassicas, weeds, and Balansa mixed in there with it.
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Post by Freeborn on Sept 28, 2020 17:43:17 GMT -6
Green as can be, knee high, and mostly untouched. Might be my ace in the hole. Some brassicas, weeds, and Balansa mixed in there with it. I would think it would be a draw once everything else that is green is gone. Typically late season greens are a draw. I have Frosty Berseem and WR so I will have something green though most of the season. I don't have enough height on the Berseem to see if they are browsing it. Seems like the high protein would be a draw until the bitter cold sets in.
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Post by kooch on Sept 28, 2020 18:07:27 GMT -6
If it stays green I'll be doing well I think, despite the lack of bedding on my place. If it's the best food going at the right time and nobody's fucking with them, I guess they'll come around. I still have my doubts about whether or not it'll be green on November 7th.
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