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Post by Sandbur on Jun 1, 2019 9:43:13 GMT -6
I seem to find lots of these around our wetlands. Several creek bottoms must have a dozen or more trees in central Minnesota .  This one is close to or on public land.  I wonder if there is ioensis blood in them. I seldom see them in the stretch of central Minnesota going north from Brainerd, but saw one yesterday in a swamp at the edge of the Chippewa National Forest. |
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Post by smsmith on Jun 1, 2019 9:51:46 GMT -6
I seldom see them in the stretch of central Minnesota going north from Brainerd, but saw one yesterday in a swamp at the edge of the Chippewa National Forest. Light, sandy, acidic soil may be the reason? I can drive northwest of here all the way to NoDak and find scattered crabs and apples. Much better dirt to the NW than to the NE |
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 1, 2019 10:23:28 GMT -6
I seldom see them in the stretch of central Minnesota going north from Brainerd, but saw one yesterday in a swamp at the edge of the Chippewa National Forest. Light, sandy, acidic soil may be the reason? I can drive northwest of here all the way to NoDak and find scattered crabs and apples. Much better dirt to the NW than to the NE I think so, also. I wonder how acidic that swamp was up by Cass Lake with the lone crab. Tamarack, white cedar, and tag alders nearby. I didn’t see anything that looked truly wild from there to Brainerd. Farming starts just west of that location by Cass Lake, well at least some open fields and a few crops. |
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Post by biglakebass on Jun 1, 2019 11:15:27 GMT -6
I seem to find lots of these around our wetlands. Several creek bottoms must have a dozen or more trees in central Minnesota . This one is close to or on public land. I wonder if there is ioensis blood in them. I seldom see them in the stretch of central Minnesota going north from Brainerd, but saw one yesterday in a swamp at the edge of the Chippewa National Forest. Curious, how do you know from a distance if they are crabs and not some other berry producing type tree or something else? |
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 1, 2019 16:49:27 GMT -6
Stu can correct me, but crabs usually appear with a continuous blaze of white, while other cherries or plums that bloom are more ‘filtered white’.
Hard to explain but others tend to have smaller white blossoms with gaps in between the flowers.
Most red blossoms would be crabs since we don’t have red buds or anything similar.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 1, 2019 20:17:27 GMT -6
Stu can correct me, but crabs usually appear with a continuous blaze of white, while other cherries or plums that bloom are more ‘filtered white’. Hard to explain but others tend to have smaller white blossoms with gaps in between the flowers. Most red blossoms would be crabs since we don’t have red buds or anything similar. Ya, I can't explain it either. When you know it's either a crab or an apple, you know. I guess it's probably years of looking/experience. I will say that it isn't easy to tell a white blossomed crab from a possible apple. I wait on my wild trees until they fruit before considering top working them to another variety. If they're little ornamental crabs, then I will likely graft them to something else. If the fruit is 3/4-1" or better, they may get to stick around. Red/purple/magenta/whatever blossoms are almost always crabs around here. I'd put money on most all of them having a good amount of Red Splendor DNA |
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jun 1, 2019 20:47:04 GMT -6
I see quite a few crabs or apples in road ditches in my county? Random spots, is it possible that they started from seed—apple thrown out window?
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Post by smsmith on Jun 1, 2019 20:56:58 GMT -6
I see quite a few crabs or apples in road ditches in my county? Random spots, is it possible that they started from seed—apple thrown out window?Sure it's possible. It's also possible a bird/deer/other critter shat out a seed |
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 1, 2019 21:02:35 GMT -6
Stu can correct me, but crabs usually appear with a continuous blaze of white, while other cherries or plums that bloom are more ‘filtered white’. Hard to explain but others tend to have smaller white blossoms with gaps in between the flowers. Most red blossoms would be crabs since we don’t have red buds or anything similar. Ya, I can't explain it either. When you know it's either a crab or an apple, you know. I guess it's probably years of looking/experience. I will say that it isn't easy to tell a white blossomed crab from a possible apple. I wait on my wild trees until they fruit before considering top working them to another variety. If they're little ornamental crabs, then I will likely graft them to something else. If the fruit is an 3/4-1" or better, they may get to stick around. Red/purple/magenta/whatever blossoms are almost always crabs around here. I'd put money on most all of them having a good amount of Red Splendor DNA Along the river near me, it looks like red splendor must have ‘gone wild’. I see occasional reds mixed in with the whites right along the edge of the stream bank. I imagine seeds floated down river and lodged there. |
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Post by smsmith on Jun 2, 2019 13:32:17 GMT -6
I found another wild crab with reddish blooms today. I was checking on an area that I had basal sprayed a bunch of buckthorn last winter. There stood a crab surrounded by a bunch of young aspen and dead buckthorn.
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Post by smallchunk on Jun 28, 2019 9:37:28 GMT -6
I found this one late this winter after following a deer trail looking for sheds. Noticed the scrape under it and Looked up to notice the apple tree form with a bunch of tracks around it. Decided to cut out all the brush under it and mow a bit around it. Cut out the low dead wood and it could use some trimming this coming winter! I had already trimmed a bit on the right side of the photo.  What the base of the tree looked like  Scrape under one of the trees limbs  Lots of little crabs forming  The after shot. I was running out of time and it was getting hot, so all of the brush is still laying under the tree for me to pick up later  |
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 28, 2019 20:21:41 GMT -6
I found this one late this winter after following a deer trail looking for sheds. Noticed the scrape under it and Looked up to notice the apple tree form with a bunch of tracks around it. Decided to cut out all the brush under it and mow a bit around it. Cut out the low dead wood and it could use some trimming this coming winter! I had already trimmed a bit on the right side of the photo. What the base of the tree looked like Scrape under one of the trees limbs Lots of little crabs forming The after shot. I was running out of time and it was getting hot, so all of the brush is still laying under the tree for me to pick up later Those crabs might grow a lot yet. |
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Post by smsmith on Aug 23, 2019 14:06:39 GMT -6
I checked on two trees that bloomed for the first time this year. One had tiny (dime sized at best) red fruits and the other had nothing. I don't know if that tree didn't produce fruit, if they were all eaten already, or what the deal is. The tiny fruited one will eventually get topworked.
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Post by smallchunk on Nov 11, 2019 20:06:38 GMT -6
I was sitting in a new set that I put up early fall on Friday evening. Was scanning a thick area of buckthorn and some red caught my eye. Looks like I have a new tree to release about 50 yards from the set!  |
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Post by nhmountains on Nov 12, 2019 4:51:11 GMT -6
I was sitting in a new set that I put up early fall on Friday evening. Was scanning a thick area of buckthorn and some red caught my eye. Looks like I have a new tree to release about 50 yards from the set! Good find SC. That’s what I do when I’m sitting in my stands. I look for trees that need releasing. If things are slow on my property at my stand sites this week I’ll be flagging oaks that need to be released. |
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