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Post by smsmith on Aug 16, 2019 19:53:07 GMT -6
I disagree. No medical degrees here, I couldn't have gotten one if I busted my ass times ten. You just have some faith in the system I guess. I've lost all that I ever had I just like to express my thoughts and let the people know we are still watching things. I give you credit Art. You put forth the effort and that gives you 100% of the right to bitch and complain loudly when things don't go as they should. Maybe if the other 500K deer hunters in MN did the same we'd get somewhere. I'm as at fault as they are...
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 16, 2019 20:29:20 GMT -6
Curious as to how much of MN is public land? KS is 98.1% private. The state controls the number of tags that go out but in reality citizens control the hunting and ultimately the harvest. I can only imagine the hell that would be raised if the government were to step foot on private land to do anything without being asked to be there. That includes sniping deer. Most people I know have a huge distrust of the government and want little to do with politicians. Reading all of you guy's posts on this thread is very frustrating.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 16, 2019 20:35:03 GMT -6
Curious as to how much of MN is public land? KS is 98.1% private. The state controls the number of tags that go out but in reality citizens control the hunting and ultimately the harvest. I can only imagine the hell that would be raised if the government were to step foot on private land to do anything without being asked to be there. That includes sniping deer. Most people I know have a huge distrust of the government and want little to do with politicians. Reading all of you guy's posts on this thread is very frustrating. 24% according to this www.dnr.state.mn.us/aboutdnr/publiclands/index.html
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 17, 2019 0:01:49 GMT -6
Curious as to how much of MN is public land? KS is 98.1% private. The state controls the number of tags that go out but in reality citizens control the hunting and ultimately the harvest. I can only imagine the hell that would be raised if the government were to step foot on private land to do anything without being asked to be there. That includes sniping deer. Most people I know have a huge distrust of the government and want little to do with politicians. Reading all of you guy's posts on this thread is very frustrating. 24% according to this www.dnr.state.mn.us/aboutdnr/publiclands/index.htmlThat number tells nothing. The state owns very little in farm country. 7 years ago they put private forest ownership "over 40%." That is shrinking rapidly as they've had well north of a billion dollars in fresh money to buy up land since then. Toss in the extra $785 million in permanent easement funding since then and those numbers get alarmingly high. The state auditor did a top down in 2012 on the SFI property tax incentive program for private forests and let slip how much they already have. There isn't a single report where the state and timber advocates also don't call out the mistake of allowing people to own land in the forests. They can't undo that shit fast enough for their liking. Armed with their new sales tax money from 2008, they can scoop up any available land as soon as willing sellers emerge. Convenient timing now that deer hunting is hitting a tipping point. Are they using water in their denominator? Yes. Have they considered tribe lands private? Yes. Cuba will be more free than MN before too much longer. The generations after us are gonna piss on our graves for giving this away. www.duluthnewstribune.com/sports/2342069-minnesota-auditor-state-forestry-act-not-sustainable
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Post by smsmith on Aug 18, 2019 7:14:44 GMT -6
Curious as to how much of MN is public land? KS is 98.1% private. The state controls the number of tags that go out but in reality citizens control the hunting and ultimately the harvest. I can only imagine the hell that would be raised if the government were to step foot on private land to do anything without being asked to be there. That includes sniping deer. Most people I know have a huge distrust of the government and want little to do with politicians. Reading all of you guy's posts on this thread is very frustrating. That is true here as well. The only difference I can tell is that MN must have many more hunters who are easily swayed by the DNR/state PR machine. Either that or the average MN deer hunter is just a meat pig. Maybe KS beef is so much better and more readily available that KS deer hunters don't go out and shoot every damn deer they see to "fill the freezer"
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Post by batman on Aug 18, 2019 7:37:57 GMT -6
Curious as to how much of MN is public land? KS is 98.1% private. The state controls the number of tags that go out but in reality citizens control the hunting and ultimately the harvest. I can only imagine the hell that would be raised if the government were to step foot on private land to do anything without being asked to be there. That includes sniping deer. Most people I know have a huge distrust of the government and want little to do with politicians. Reading all of you guy's posts on this thread is very frustrating. That is true here as well. The only difference I can tell is that MN must have many more hunters who are easily swayed by the DNR/state PR machine. Either that or the average MN deer hunter is just a meat pig. Maybe KS beef is so much better and more readily available that KS deer hunters don't go out and shoot every damn deer they see to "fill the freezer" I think it simple supply and demand. If there are more deer hitting the ground than guys want to shoot, you have deer. Add too many hunters and you can Slip past a point and there are not enough deer and it all goes to shit.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 18, 2019 7:43:51 GMT -6
That is true here as well. The only difference I can tell is that MN must have many more hunters who are easily swayed by the DNR/state PR machine. Either that or the average MN deer hunter is just a meat pig. Maybe KS beef is so much better and more readily available that KS deer hunters don't go out and shoot every damn deer they see to "fill the freezer" I think it simple supply and demand. If there are more deer hitting the ground than guys want to shoot, you have deer. Add too many hunters and you can Slip past a point and there are not enough deer and it all goes to shit. Maybe. I don't know how many deer and deer hunters in KS, so that would be necessary info to make a comparison.
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 18, 2019 7:57:03 GMT -6
Curious as to how much of MN is public land? KS is 98.1% private. The state controls the number of tags that go out but in reality citizens control the hunting and ultimately the harvest. I can only imagine the hell that would be raised if the government were to step foot on private land to do anything without being asked to be there. That includes sniping deer. Most people I know have a huge distrust of the government and want little to do with politicians. Reading all of you guy's posts on this thread is very frustrating. That is true here as well. The only difference I can tell is that MN must have many more hunters who are easily swayed by the DNR/state PR machine. Either that or the average MN deer hunter is just a meat pig. Maybe KS beef is so much better and more readily available that KS deer hunters don't go out and shoot every damn deer they see to "fill the freezer" I really think KS natives are concerned with the herd and self regulate. Most guys I know would rather eat a tag than shoot a small buck. A doe or two might go in the freezer... if numbers are high. It's a difference in culture and expectations. We all grew up in the heyday of the 80's when good bucks were what everyone shot. Most of us would like to see that come back and are willing to eat beef instead.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Aug 18, 2019 8:00:20 GMT -6
I’m going to my local meeting in Glenwood. It won’t matter, but a couple local guys usually let them have it. My only comment will be ...”does the DNR have any long term goals to improve the hunting, and when I will you quit adding seasons??
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Post by smsmith on Aug 18, 2019 8:01:16 GMT -6
That is true here as well. The only difference I can tell is that MN must have many more hunters who are easily swayed by the DNR/state PR machine. Either that or the average MN deer hunter is just a meat pig. Maybe KS beef is so much better and more readily available that KS deer hunters don't go out and shoot every damn deer they see to "fill the freezer" I really think KS natives are concerned with the herd and self regulate. Most guys I know would rather eat a tag than shoot a small buck. A doe or two might go in the freezer... if numbers are high. It's a difference in culture and expectations. We all grew up in the heyday of the 80's when good bucks were what everyone shot. Most of us would like to see that come back and are willing to eat beef instead. That's what I had assumed. It seems an awful lot of Minnesotans are sheep
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Post by batman on Aug 18, 2019 9:12:34 GMT -6
When NW MN was shotgun there were a shitpod more deer and way more big bucks.
The late early 2000's everywhere I went in MN had 5 times the deer and big bucks were common.
SE MN saw the heyday of big bucks pass soon after they bombed the area with liberal regs.
Ripley was a national treasure.
MN reg changes caused the demise of these quality hunts.
Self regulation only works where there are a shit pod of deer. Give enough eager hunters enough tags and they will decimate the herd. Tragedy of the commons.
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 18, 2019 10:25:32 GMT -6
I think we can shoot up to 6 deer, 1 with antlers. When they first up'd it from 1 deer per year guys jumped on it and started shooted does. When hunters noticed that they weren't seeing as many deer as normal and late season doe groups were getting smaller they stopped buying the extra tags. Of course the state found non-residents who are more than willing to keep numbers down and buck age structure low.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 18, 2019 10:46:33 GMT -6
I think we can shoot up to 6 deer, 1 with antlers. When they first up'd it from 1 deer per year guys jumped on it and started shooted does. When hunters noticed that they weren't seeing as many deer as normal and late season doe groups were getting smaller they stopped buying the extra tags. Of course the state found non-residents who are more than willing to keep numbers down and buck age structure low. Probably a bunch of Minnesotans
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Post by smsmith on Aug 18, 2019 10:51:46 GMT -6
When NW MN was shotgun there were a shitpod more deer and way more big bucks. The late early 2000's everywhere I went in MN had 5 times the deer and big bucks were common. SE MN saw the heyday of big bucks pass soon after they bombed the area with liberal regs. Ripley was a national treasure. MN reg changes caused the demise of these quality hunts. Self regulation only works where there are a shit pod of deer. Give enough eager hunters enough tags and they will decimate the herd. Tragedy of the commons. Always? Nope. Look at Buffalo County. WI DNR is pretty much begging people to shoot does there. Look at much of MI. The herd is close to being out of control in many areas. Very liberal doe tag allocation in much of MI. In Minnesota your statement appears to be nearly always true. In other areas, not always. Did the reg changes allow for the demise of deer hunting in MN? Yep. Did hunters cause the actual demise? Yep. In order of "who is at fault for the quality of deer hunting in MN" I'd have to say 1. MN deer hunters 2. MN DNR
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 18, 2019 10:58:12 GMT -6
I think we can shoot up to 6 deer, 1 with antlers. When they first up'd it from 1 deer per year guys jumped on it and started shooted does. When hunters noticed that they weren't seeing as many deer as normal and late season doe groups were getting smaller they stopped buying the extra tags. Of course the state found non-residents who are more than willing to keep numbers down and buck age structure low. Probably a bunch of Minnesotans I've met an awful lot of great guys from the upper north east (and from Louisiana and Texas for some reason) in the last 10yrs or so.
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