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Post by Sandbur on Aug 18, 2019 12:14:46 GMT -6
I’m going to my local meeting in Glenwood. It won’t matter, but a couple local guys usually let them have it. My only comment will be ...”does the DNR have any long term goals to improve the hunting, and when I will you quit adding seasons?? I think our area is one of those not having an actual meeting. Just stop in between 10 and 4 and visit. Working man won’t make it in that time interval.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 18, 2019 14:18:32 GMT -6
When NW MN was shotgun there were a shitpod more deer and way more big bucks. The late early 2000's everywhere I went in MN had 5 times the deer and big bucks were common. SE MN saw the heyday of big bucks pass soon after they bombed the area with liberal regs. Ripley was a national treasure. MN reg changes caused the demise of these quality hunts. Self regulation only works where there are a shit pod of deer. Give enough eager hunters enough tags and they will decimate the herd. Tragedy of the commons. Always? Nope. Look at Buffalo County. WI DNR is pretty much begging people to shoot does there. Look at much of MI. The herd is close to being out of control in many areas. Very liberal doe tag allocation in much of MI. In Minnesota your statement appears to be nearly always true. In other areas, not always. Did the reg changes allow for the demise of deer hunting in MN? Yep. Did hunters cause the actual demise? Yep. In order of "who is at fault for the quality of deer hunting in MN" I'd have to say 1. MN deer hunters 2. MN DNR Is Buffalo county owned mostly by the government or private landowners? Big difference between robbing a bank, and robbing your own bank.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 18, 2019 18:57:42 GMT -6
Always? Nope. Look at Buffalo County. WI DNR is pretty much begging people to shoot does there. Look at much of MI. The herd is close to being out of control in many areas. Very liberal doe tag allocation in much of MI. In Minnesota your statement appears to be nearly always true. In other areas, not always. Did the reg changes allow for the demise of deer hunting in MN? Yep. Did hunters cause the actual demise? Yep. In order of "who is at fault for the quality of deer hunting in MN" I'd have to say 1. MN deer hunters 2. MN DNR Is Buffalo county owned mostly by the government or private landowners? Big difference between robbing a bank, and robbing your own bank. I imagine Buffalo county WI and Todd county MN are pretty similar. Both over 90% privately owned.
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Post by benmnwi on Aug 18, 2019 21:02:56 GMT -6
When NW MN was shotgun there were a shitpod more deer and way more big bucks. The late early 2000's everywhere I went in MN had 5 times the deer and big bucks were common. SE MN saw the heyday of big bucks pass soon after they bombed the area with liberal regs. Ripley was a national treasure. MN reg changes caused the demise of these quality hunts. Self regulation only works where there are a shit pod of deer. Give enough eager hunters enough tags and they will decimate the herd. Tragedy of the commons. I can only speak for my 2 county area I primarily hunt in se mn, but it is better than ever. These days are better than ever. Big buck numbers improved dramatically with the aprs. And it's not even close. Maybe fewer bucks are killed now than before, but they are bigger. The only exception may be the whitewater wma area that lost ground when the refuge was closed prior to the apr change. I expect things to go downhill soon, but they are better now in se mn than ever in most areas.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Aug 19, 2019 10:13:49 GMT -6
APR has worked in SE MN. I would guess the biggest drawback of statewide APR would be the areas that lack bucks (Zone 1). Public land? These areas have few bucks so the hunters do not want to pass the one that comes by, but then the situation only gets worse as the hunters shoot whatever moves.
With CWD I suppose it is just a dream that the DNR would ever think of statewide APR. Man that would be the ticket for my area--Pope & Otter Tail County--it would really help.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 19, 2019 11:44:29 GMT -6
Expansion of APRs to a few areas used to be something I thought might happen at some point. With CWD...it isn't even a dream now.
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 21, 2019 19:30:45 GMT -6
I’m going to my local meeting in Glenwood. It won’t matter, but a couple local guys usually let them have it. My only comment will be ...”does the DNR have any long term goals to improve the hunting, and when I will you quit adding seasons?? I think our area is one of those not having an actual meeting. Just stop in between 10 and 4 and visit. Working man won’t make it in that time interval. “hunters in our area are no longer controlling the deer population, even with two or three tags.” “Areas to the west have had two tags for years and numbers are still increasing.” “Things are different than 10 years ago, and few kill more than two deer anyway.” “ it didn’t matter if they had five or three tags. “ All paraphrased.
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Post by batman on Aug 21, 2019 19:42:02 GMT -6
te]“hunters in our area are no longer controlling the deer population,
Did you ask him for his plan to thin the herd?
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 21, 2019 20:04:22 GMT -6
te]“hunters in our area are no longer controlling the deer population, Did you ask him for his plan to thin the herd? Nope, but I was thinking about it. If the CWD monitoring zone hits Camp, who knows. ‘Hunters aren’t controlling deer numbers in camp either.’
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Post by smsmith on Aug 21, 2019 20:08:58 GMT -6
Large chunks of MN should be prepared for early antlerless in 2020 I'd guess.
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Post by biglakebass on Aug 21, 2019 20:10:50 GMT -6
I would agree. Its gonna be a slow death, chipping away with adding opportunity bit by bit. The good old days are diminishing..... Wait, was there a good old days in MN? ?
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 21, 2019 20:14:27 GMT -6
te]“hunters in our area are no longer controlling the deer population, Did you ask him for his plan to thin the herd? Nope, but I was thinking about it. If the CWD monitoring zone hits Camp, who knows. ‘Hunters aren’t controlling deer numbers in camp either.’ That's bold. Sounds like they're prepping the narrative to evolve past CWD and just get to killing deer for the sake of killing deer.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 21, 2019 20:19:30 GMT -6
Nope, but I was thinking about it. If the CWD monitoring zone hits Camp, who knows. ‘Hunters aren’t controlling deer numbers in camp either.’ That's bold. Sounds like they're prepping the narrative to evolve past CWD and just get to killing deer for the sake of killing deer. Nope. Once CWD is on the landscape the DNR will tie all of their deer hunting changes to that existence. "We have to lower deer densities across the landscape in order to keep CWD from spreading. You don't want to chance feeding your wife/kid/grandpa CWD infected venison do you?"
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Post by biglakebass on Aug 21, 2019 20:53:34 GMT -6
That's bold. Sounds like they're prepping the narrative to evolve past CWD and just get to killing deer for the sake of killing deer. Nope. Once CWD is on the landscape the DNR will tie all of their deer hunting changes to that existence. "We have to lower deer densities across the landscape in order to keep CWD from spreading. You don't want to chance feeding your wife/kid/grandpa CWD infected venison do you?" Some may disagree with that thought.
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Post by batman on Aug 30, 2019 10:47:21 GMT -6
ODN reports the MN DNR selected a deer advisory committee member whose role is to move deer control without hunting ideas forward.
DNR also said there are more deer in the state of MN right now than any time in history. hehehe.
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