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Post by batman on Aug 4, 2019 9:08:56 GMT -6
Wisconsin abandoned their kill them all CWD regs. Yup. Not because of the DNR though. Deer hunters in WI said "enough". Will deer hunters in MN do the same? Who knows. Bottom line is that deer hunters have all the power when it comes to deer management. Will MN deer hunters ever wake up and figure that out? It would take legislation to turn the ship around in MN. Its guys with no political influence vs. MDHA, QDMA, backcountry hunters, their greedy neighbors, Howling for wolves, big ag, auto insurance, forestry, the DNR, Board of animal health, forestry, counties, tick disease, U of MN's new unit... Some say there are more deer in many WI forested units than ag units now. Because farmers are not eligible for crop damage insurance unless they fill the depredation tags they are allocated. The farmers are forced to shoot the deer or deal with the financial consequences. Our DNR abandoned the legitimate goal setting process of 2015/2016 - because the public was able to set real goals with real information and it ran counter to the agenda. But inside biosphere all is calm.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2019 9:23:00 GMT -6
Deer hunters don't need MDHA, MBI, QDMA, or anybody else. They are already a group with power. MN deer hunters will either decide deer hunting is important or they won't. Pretty simple
Legislation follows what deer hunters want...because they demand it. Too many in this state think the power lies in St. Paul. Nanny staters
Life is good on my little chunk of MN. I make 100% of the deer management decisions here. MN DNR is irrelevant
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Post by batman on Aug 4, 2019 9:28:57 GMT -6
Deer hunters don't need MDHA, MBI, QDMA, or anybody else. They are already a group with power. MN deer hunters will either decide deer hunting is important or they won't. Pretty simple Legislation follows what deer hunters want...because they demand it. Too many in this state think the power lies in St. Paul. Nanny staters Life is good on my little chunk of MN. I make 100% of the deer management decisions here. MN DNR is irrelevant What if they had a corn pile and sharpshooters on your neighbors? Or earn a buck in intensive harvest zones (implemented on numerous park hunts in MN this fall)? Would your management powers fade?
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2019 9:32:36 GMT -6
Deer hunters don't need MDHA, MBI, QDMA, or anybody else. They are already a group with power. MN deer hunters will either decide deer hunting is important or they won't. Pretty simple Legislation follows what deer hunters want...because they demand it. Too many in this state think the power lies in St. Paul. Nanny staters Life is good on my little chunk of MN. I make 100% of the deer management decisions here. MN DNR is irrelevant What if they had a corn pile and sharpshooters on your neighbors? Or earn a buck in intensive harvest zones (implemented on numerous park hunts in MN this fall)? Would your management powers fade? No. I can only control what happens on my acreage. I can't control what the neighbors do or don't do. There's an elk farm across the road from me. Will they bring CWD to my neighborhood? I can't control what they do over there. edit...My old place was about 2 miles as the crow flies from a county park and a couple more from a public hunting area. WI DNR and Dane County had sharpshooters in those areas for years. Deer season ran for more than six months a year. My buddy just built a house that is very near that park. Deer are thick and big bucks common. Who has the power?
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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2019 9:35:56 GMT -6
Deer hunters don't need MDHA, MBI, QDMA, or anybody else. They are already a group with power. MN deer hunters will either decide deer hunting is important or they won't. Pretty simple Legislation follows what deer hunters want...because they demand it. Too many in this state think the power lies in St. Paul. Nanny staters Life is good on my little chunk of MN. I make 100% of the deer management decisions here. MN DNR is irrelevant What if they had a corn pile and sharpshooters on your neighbors? Or earn a buck in intensive harvest zones (implemented on numerous park hunts in MN this fall)? Would your management powers fade? ^. Good points. This is why I think we need a voice for Habitat For Wildlife Organization. HFWO. (or make your own name). Habitat Landowners need a voice at the table(s). ......and it would be one way for someone like Brooks to be gainfully employed again.
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Post by batman on Aug 4, 2019 9:44:16 GMT -6
edit...My old place was about 2 miles as the crow flies from a county park and a couple more from a public hunting area. WI DNR and Dane County had sharpshooters in those areas for years. Deer season ran for more than six months a year. My buddy just built a house that is very near that park. Deer are thick and big bucks common. Who has the power?The governor changed deer policy in Wisconsin. The deer hunters saw they could not do it so they voted in Scott Walker who formed CDAC that empowered policy decisions by the people. Deer hunters have little power over herd management until they buy power through elections/elected.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2019 9:49:14 GMT -6
edit...My old place was about 2 miles as the crow flies from a county park and a couple more from a public hunting area. WI DNR and Dane County had sharpshooters in those areas for years. Deer season ran for more than six months a year. My buddy just built a house that is very near that park. Deer are thick and big bucks common. Who has the power?The governor changed deer policy in Wisconsin. The deer hunters saw they could not do it so they voted in Scott Walker who formed CDAC that empowered policy decisions by the people. Deer hunters have little power over herd management until they buy power through elections/elected. Right. Deer hunters did something that benefited their cause. They had the power to do so and they actually did something. Will MN deer hunters think deer hunting is important enough to actually do something? I guess time will tell. Nothing like adversity to show what is important to people
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Post by batman on Aug 4, 2019 9:52:56 GMT -6
The governor changed deer policy in Wisconsin. The deer hunters saw they could not do it so they voted in Scott Walker who formed CDAC that empowered policy decisions by the people. Deer hunters have little power over herd management until they buy power through elections/elected. Right. Deer hunters did something that benefited their cause. They had the power to do so and they actually did something. Will MN deer hunters think deer hunting is important enough to actually do something? I guess time will tell. Nothing like adversity to show what is important to people Who spearheaded Sportsman for Walker?
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Post by mnfish on Aug 4, 2019 9:53:16 GMT -6
I wonder what % of WI residents hunt whitetails? And what % on MN residents hunt whitetails?
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2019 9:54:40 GMT -6
Right. Deer hunters did something that benefited their cause. They had the power to do so and they actually did something. Will MN deer hunters think deer hunting is important enough to actually do something? I guess time will tell. Nothing like adversity to show what is important to people Who spearheaded Sportsman for Walker? Zero idea. Maybe whip knows
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2019 10:00:44 GMT -6
I wonder what % of WI residents hunt whitetails? And what % on MN residents hunt whitetails? Google says 774,000 total gun, bow and crossbow licenses were sold in WI last year. Couldn't find anything quickly for MN last year. In 2016 about 604,000 were sold. WI population - 5.8 million MN population - 5.6 million WI deer hunting percentage of population - 13% MN deer hunting percentage of population - 11% edit...that is probably bullshit. Total licenses sold wouldn't be representative of population.
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Post by mnfish on Aug 4, 2019 10:12:34 GMT -6
I wonder what % of WI residents hunt whitetails? And what % on MN residents hunt whitetails? Google says 774,000 total gun, bow and crossbow licenses were sold in WI last year. Couldn't find anything quickly for MN last year. In 2016 about 604,000 were sold. WI population - 5.8 million MN population - 5.6 million WI deer hunting percentage of population - 13% MN deer hunting percentage of population - 11% edit...that is probably bullshit. Total licenses sold wouldn't be representative of population. Good start though. I would bet over 1/2 of the mn deer tages are bought for others. Meaning 1 hunter 2 registured tags. Where as WI, most of the tags represent an individual hunter. Thus: WI has better than 10% hunter population vs MN at 5.5%
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2019 10:51:45 GMT -6
Hunters in any state are obviously a small minority of the citizens. The power we have as hunters is that we control how many of each animal we kill. If deer hunters collectively told the MN DNR to go pound sand, they'd have to work with us instead of telling us what was going to happen. If we just keep going along to get along, then we'll keep getting what we're getting (a big shit sandwich). It's up to us.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2019 10:59:18 GMT -6
^. Write that to OD News comments.
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Post by batman on Aug 4, 2019 11:19:02 GMT -6
The 'public land owner I hunt for meat' movement seems to be gaining traction. Great PR move by the DNR.
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