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Post by Sandbur on Aug 12, 2019 19:05:11 GMT -6
Have you thought about winter wheat? Our deer prefer wheat over rye for some reason. I tried to buy some seed oats or wheat today intending to make a mix.....but all they had locally was cereal Rye. In the past my deer have liked the rye......so I'm hoping they still do. I got about 1/10" of rain so far today....in an all-day drizzle.......so I am hoping for germination and good things to follow. . Wheat has not done as well on light soil for me as rye has.
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Pigweed
Aug 12, 2019 23:57:49 GMT -6
Post by smallchunk on Aug 12, 2019 23:57:49 GMT -6
Just thinking out loud here. Do you think the earlier planted brassica was the reason for the pig weed explosion? Or do you think if you would've waited another two weeks it wouldn't have mattered?
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Pigweed
Aug 13, 2019 6:00:55 GMT -6
Post by Bob on Aug 13, 2019 6:00:55 GMT -6
Just thinking out loud here. Do you think the earlier planted brassica was the reason for the pig weed explosion? Or do you think if you would've waited another two weeks it wouldn't have mattered? Pick your weeds. Pigweed is an expression of violated principles. It's biological retaliation against what you have done. Just like many outdoor hustlers rip off my ideas, I'm now being ripped off by scientists at the Rodale Institute. Now, Dr. Nichols is a friend of mine, but still, who do you think taught her this? I'd recommend watching this entire video when you get time, but for the sake of this question, skip to the 57:47 mark in this video. Sound like any cat you know?
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Pigweed
Aug 13, 2019 6:24:37 GMT -6
Post by Bob on Aug 13, 2019 6:24:37 GMT -6
Spraying without a rebuilding plan is kinda like this guy playing tennis with Adam Sandler. You get the first point with a first time glyphosate application. For purposes of this, Adam Sandler is mother nature.
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 13, 2019 6:44:24 GMT -6
articles.extension.org/pages/65208/weed-profile:-pigweeds-amaranthus-sppHere ya go Foggy; everything you could want to know about pigweeds. It's not an early germinator but we do have to do a burndown at least once (usually at least a couple of weeks) before putting in beans so that it gets hit while still short. Then it gets hit again at planting. Then again usually a month or so after bean emergence. After that hopefully the beans have canopied and the weeds are slowed down some. We goofed up and stuck with Roundup Ready beans too long, ended up with quite the infestation and are paying for it now.
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Pigweed
Aug 13, 2019 6:53:51 GMT -6
Post by smsmith on Aug 13, 2019 6:53:51 GMT -6
articles.extension.org/pages/65208/weed-profile:-pigweeds-amaranthus-sppHere ya go Foggy; everything you could want to know about pigweeds. It's not an early germinator but we do have to do a burndown at least once (usually at least a couple of weeks) before putting in beans so that it gets hit while still short. Then it gets hit again at planting. Then again usually a month or so after bean emergence. After that hopefully the beans have canopied and the weeds are slowed down some. We goofed up and stuck with Roundup Ready beans too long, ended up with quite the infestation and are paying for it now. Are you mainly dealing with redroot pigweed, or is palmer amaranth the biggest PITA?
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 13, 2019 7:28:31 GMT -6
articles.extension.org/pages/65208/weed-profile:-pigweeds-amaranthus-sppHere ya go Foggy; everything you could want to know about pigweeds. It's not an early germinator but we do have to do a burndown at least once (usually at least a couple of weeks) before putting in beans so that it gets hit while still short. Then it gets hit again at planting. Then again usually a month or so after bean emergence. After that hopefully the beans have canopied and the weeds are slowed down some. We goofed up and stuck with Roundup Ready beans too long, ended up with quite the infestation and are paying for it now. Are you mainly dealing with redroot pigweed, or is palmer amaranth the biggest PITA? It's been a while since I id'd it. If I remember right it's palmer amaranth. Nobody here will call it anything other than pigweed and looks at you crazy if you bring up "palmer", waterhemp, or redroot.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 13, 2019 7:32:22 GMT -6
Geez....this food plotting experience is like peeling an onion.......you just keep needing to learn more and go deeper and deeper into this chit. Not sure I want this much experience with farming. FORE!
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Post by badbrad on Aug 13, 2019 7:55:41 GMT -6
Geez....this food plotting experience is like peeling an onion.......you just keep needing to learn more and go deeper and deeper into this chit. Not sure I want this much experience with farming. FORE! Ya most people shug their shoulders and try something new. SD wants you to watch a 56 min video on weeds. For deer. Fuck our lives Foggy.
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 13, 2019 8:47:37 GMT -6
I have remained quiet until now, but I had a great crop of pigweed in my shooting lane in the cornfield. I sprayed part of it and set it back, but should have hit it earlier.
Last week, I just mowed it off and knocked some down. I will plant some rye in there about Sept. 1 and throw in a bit of oats.
I hate to admit it, but the tilled areas has lots of pigweed. Where we left corn stand from last year, there is white weed (hoary alyssum?)on the lighter soil and nice clover in the wetter soils. I am stretching my mind back to trying to ID plants from my college days.
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Post by wiscwhip on Aug 13, 2019 9:25:00 GMT -6
I am stretching my mind back to trying to ID plants from my college days. For crying out loud, don't hurt yourself!
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Pigweed
Aug 13, 2019 9:29:25 GMT -6
Post by smsmith on Aug 13, 2019 9:29:25 GMT -6
I have remained quiet until now, but I had a great crop of pigweed in my shooting lane in the cornfield. I sprayed part of it and set it back, but should have hit it earlier. Last week, I just mowed it off and knocked some down. I will plant some rye in there about Sept. 1 and throw in a bit of oats. I hate to admit it, but the tilled areas has lots of pigweed. Where we left corn stand from last year, there is white weed ( hoary alyssum?)on the lighter soil and nice clover in the wetter soils. I am stretching my mind back to trying to ID plants from my college days. It's been a hell of a year for hoary alyssum everywhere I've been in MN.
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Pigweed
Aug 13, 2019 9:31:27 GMT -6
Post by smsmith on Aug 13, 2019 9:31:27 GMT -6
Are you mainly dealing with redroot pigweed, or is palmer amaranth the biggest PITA? It's been a while since I id'd it. If I remember right it's palmer amaranth. Nobody here will call it anything other than pigweed and looks at you crazy if you bring up "palmer", waterhemp, or redroot. Ya, the couple farmers I talk to just call it pigweed too. One young guy does at least recognize that P.A. is a different beast than our native redroot pigweed and waterhemp. P.A. has been found in my county, so it's something that needs to be monitored closely. That shit is a whole different nightmare to manage.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 13, 2019 9:36:52 GMT -6
Geez....this food plotting experience is like peeling an onion.......you just keep needing to learn more and go deeper and deeper into this chit. Not sure I want this much experience with farming. FORE! Annual plots make weed management more and more difficult IME. A guy really needs to start using a pre-emergent to control pigweed/waterhemp/palmer amaranth. I don't want to get into that category of herbicides
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Post by Foggy on Aug 13, 2019 10:14:52 GMT -6
Geez....this food plotting experience is like peeling an onion.......you just keep needing to learn more and go deeper and deeper into this chit. Not sure I want this much experience with farming. FORE! Annual plots make weed management more and more difficult IME. A guy really needs to start using a pre-emergent to control pigweed/waterhemp/palmer amaranth. I don't want to get into that category of herbicides I think I am at the point that I want and NEED to get back to perrenial food plots......and lessen the need for this kinda situation. I didn't relalize what I was getting into......and thought I could get into a rotation of beans and brassica plots.....with some brassica and rye overseed in late summer. I am surprised at how quickly that pigweed takes down my crops and efforts. I'd rather play golf and find some time for fishing (I have not been fishing since Memorial Day) in the summer than pull pigweed and try to figure new ways to combat weeds. I gotta lessen my workload. May need to start a new thread on low maintenance plotting for dummies. FORE!
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