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Post by MoBuckChaser on Mar 1, 2017 10:36:41 GMT -6
Too Funny.....
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Post by westbranch on Mar 1, 2017 10:40:47 GMT -6
#freedom #liberty #smallgovernment #constitution #fiscalresponsibility #lessgov'tspending #thosewordsdon'tmeanwhatrepublicansthinktheymean
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Post by kabic on Mar 1, 2017 10:56:32 GMT -6
I don't want to make illegal's legal. We tried that once with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. That does nothing to solve the problem long term, because if it did we wouldn't be discussing this right now. I would take away any incentive to be here illegally. I.E deported if caught, children of illegals that are born here are illegal, if that makes them "Stateless" shame on their parents. I'm not against people immigrating as long as they do it legally. Heck I don't even mind the Somali's, but the only interaction I have with them are at the MSP airport, so they are employed and paying taxes. Then we can redirect the money wasted on illegals to educating (traditional schools and job training for adults) our current population to hopefully raise some of them out of poverty.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 1, 2017 11:01:51 GMT -6
I don't want to make illegal's legal. We tried that once with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. That does nothing to solve the problem long term, because if it did we wouldn't be discussing this right now. I would take away any incentive to be here illegally. I.E deported if caught, children of illegals that are born here are illegal, if that makes them "Stateless" shame on their parents. I'm not against people immigrating as long as they do it legally. Heck I don't even mind the Somali's, but the only interaction I have with them are at the MSP airport, so they are employed and paying taxes. Then we can redirect the money wasted on illegals to educating (traditional schools and job training for adults) our current population to hopefully raise some of them out of poverty. That'd take a change of the Constitution and I'm not a big "the Constitution is a living, changing document" kinda guy theusconstitution.org/issue/citizenship
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Post by kabic on Mar 1, 2017 11:14:15 GMT -6
I don't want to make illegal's legal. We tried that once with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. That does nothing to solve the problem long term, because if it did we wouldn't be discussing this right now. I would take away any incentive to be here illegally. I.E deported if caught, children of illegals that are born here are illegal, if that makes them "Stateless" shame on their parents. I'm not against people immigrating as long as they do it legally. Heck I don't even mind the Somali's, but the only interaction I have with them are at the MSP airport, so they are employed and paying taxes. Then we can redirect the money wasted on illegals to educating (traditional schools and job training for adults) our current population to hopefully raise some of them out of poverty. That'd take a change of the Constitution and I'm not a big "the Constitution is a living, changing document" kinda guy theusconstitution.org/issue/citizenshipYes it would take a slightly different interruption, which is a slippery slope because this where we are at with the 2nd amendment. 14th starts out: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. " One would argue that children of illegals are not subject to the the U.S. jurisdiction in the same way children of diplomat that are born here are not citizens. Edit: not sure if it is a reputable source, but here it is anyways www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/2nd Edit: If people are here illegally we have to ideal where the allegiance lies. Part of the naturalization process is to renounce prior allegiance to your former country. So the summary of the argument is the 14th only applies to children of aliens if they have started the naturalization process.
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 1, 2017 13:09:10 GMT -6
I don't understand all the dust up over policing and deporting illegals. Where else in the world can you illegally enter a country, load up on benefits, and then protest against your invaded host country? I wish Trump would just say we're adopting Mexico's immigration policy. You go to Mexico, you're not allowed on the take, at least for a period of years. You protest in Saudia Arabia or Russia, well you know how that turns out. Don't get me started about Canadian rules.
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Post by Reagan on Mar 1, 2017 15:15:54 GMT -6
If you are finding fault with that speech by Trump......you are not going to be happy with the future. I think he NAILED it. Will it all happen according to the dream? Dunno....but the dream is sound IMO. Never gonna happen if bi-partisan support does not come. But at least not getting rammed down throats with lies and deceit of OBAMACARE. Honestly I turned it off after the VOICE part or the ACA stuff, don't remember because I was in a chemically altered mental state. But I do think if we as a nation are ever going to get all the coloreds and non Christians out of our country or at the very least interred in some kind of camp, maybe force them to do some labor with the promise of eventual citizenship or freedom. The VOICE program sounds like a good start. free photo hostingAll colored and non christians? Don't you think that is a bit dramatic? That is not anyone's goal. The goal is to have a secure border and know who the hell is coming into this country. Just like the vast majority of civilized countries around the world do every day. If a person is from a country that has large population of people who hate us and would like to see death to America, why would we want to promote them coming here? Have you ever travelled anywhere else in the world? Do you realize most countries don't allow a free for all of travel across their borders?
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 2, 2017 7:20:00 GMT -6
Why don't we ask our friends like Japan or Austrailia to take some immigrants...oh yeah they don't take anyone. Opposition to the wall is all about future liberal voters. If immigrants were republican you can bet your ass the snowflakes would want the wall.
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Post by mclovin on Mar 2, 2017 8:42:56 GMT -6
Actually I don't want a wall because I don't think it's going to work. How deep are the footings going to be? We go 4' deep in MN because of frost, not a lot of frost on the Mexican border, I imagine. Let's say the wall has footings 2 feet deep, how long will it take 6 Mexicans to tunnel under it? 20 minutes? A half hour?
Are we going to put armed guards on the wall? If we put one every 1,000 feet we would need 10,000 guards each shift x 3. If we pay those 30,000 guards 15 bucks an hour we're looking at 165 million dollars a year and that doesn't include transporting the guards, buying them night vision equipment or building them gender neutral bathrooms.
And we're doing this to keep Mexicans from picking lettuce for 5 bucks an hour, a job that no American wants or is willing to do.
The wall is the very definition of the word boondoggle.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 2, 2017 8:50:07 GMT -6
I don't quite get the wall either. It will only present a new challenge to be overcome. History has clearly shown two times that the best known walls aren't the panacea they're thought to be.
If it makes Americans feel better, provides jobs, and doesn't increase my taxes...then I really don't care - build the fucker. Problem is, we all know that anything that is built requires ongoing maintenance, repair, and eventual replacement. Republicans aren't going to be in charge every year for perpetuity...anybody who thinks the US taxpayer won't eventually pay big bucks for the project (at some point) is kidding themselves.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 2, 2017 8:51:27 GMT -6
If we can go to the moon I think they can make a wall that won't be breached in 20 minutes. It's not about the lettuce pickers, it's about the drugs and criminals. Someday, if not already it will be about terrorists. We are already spending millions to protect the border. There is a reason the DEA, ICE agents, and border patrol want the wall. I will value their opinion over the snowflakes afraid of hurting someone's feelings.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 2, 2017 8:52:37 GMT -6
AND MEXICO IS PAYING FOR IT!
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Post by smsmith on Mar 2, 2017 8:57:57 GMT -6
AND MEXICO IS PAYING FOR IT! hahaha Everything I've read says American consumers will pay for it via tariffs on Mexican made goods.
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Post by westbranch on Mar 2, 2017 9:04:06 GMT -6
If we can go to the moon I think they can make a wall that won't be breached in 20 minutes. It's not about the lettuce pickers, it's about the drugs and criminals. Someday, if not already it will be about terrorists. We are already spending millions to protect the border. There is a reason the DEA, ICE agents, and border patrol want the wall. I will value their opinion over the snowflakes afraid of hurting someone's feelings. Of course they want the wall, basically guarantees them income forever. I don't ask the barber if I need a haircut. Want to get rid of the drug problem, legalize and regulate it. Take away the cartel's source of income and they lose there power. But of course the legal system and prison system full of people guilty of non violent drug crimes would lost their huge source of $$.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 2, 2017 9:10:39 GMT -6
The war on drugs is unwinnable, anybody who believes differently is foolish. Want to "win" the war on drugs? Better figure out the demand for them instead of who is supplying them.
Marijuana should be legalized and taxed. Problem solved.
Harder drugs...I don't know what the answer is, but do know that decades of a war on them has done nothing except cost us billions. Maybe try spending those billions on treatment and research regarding the demand for them.
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