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Post by smsmith on Apr 17, 2023 17:57:43 GMT -6
Used up the last of the diesel/Crossbow I had in the sprayer today. Hit some buckthorn stragglers I found last week and a bunch of prickly ash that was creeping in along my trails. Feels good to wrap up that little piece of habitat management... I was told by one of the foresters there was some buckthorn on my new property. I want to get a handle on what it is and attack it this year so it doesn’t go wild when I log and get more sunlight. I believe he will be including that info in the timber survey follow up. If you have berry producing female buckthorn and you open the canopy, you'll almost certainly get a whole bunch of new shrubs popping up. Not a big deal if you get on top of the stuff right away, but if you wait a few years like I did...it becomes a bigger deal
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 17, 2023 18:46:46 GMT -6
I was told by one of the foresters there was some buckthorn on my new property. I want to get a handle on what it is and attack it this year so it doesn’t go wild when I log and get more sunlight. I believe he will be including that info in the timber survey follow up. If you have berry producing female buckthorn and you open the canopy, you'll almost certainly get a whole bunch of new shrubs popping up. Not a big deal if you get on top of the stuff right away, but if you wait a few years like I did...it becomes a bigger deal Yeah I need to make sure I get a handle on it, beech, and the black birch if I log because I want pine, oak, and sugar maple reproduction. Where they logged 20 years ago the black birch and beech took over even though they left mature oak and sugar maples.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 17, 2023 19:09:43 GMT -6
If you have berry producing female buckthorn and you open the canopy, you'll almost certainly get a whole bunch of new shrubs popping up. Not a big deal if you get on top of the stuff right away, but if you wait a few years like I did...it becomes a bigger deal Yeah I need to make sure I get a handle on it, beech, and the black birch if I log because I want pine, oak, and sugar maple reproduction. Where they logged 20 years ago the black birch and beech took over even though they left mature oak and sugar maples. I have zero experience with black birch or beech, but I'd think they would also be easily controlled with basal spraying when 2" diameter or smaller.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 18, 2023 2:08:00 GMT -6
Yeah I need to make sure I get a handle on it, beech, and the black birch if I log because I want pine, oak, and sugar maple reproduction. Where they logged 20 years ago the black birch and beech took over even though they left mature oak and sugar maples. I have zero experience with black birch or beech, but I'd think they would also be easily controlled with basal spraying when 2" diameter or smaller. They both are low light loving trees that will outcompete oaks, pine, and maples if a thinning cut is done instead of a clear cut. Beech root sprout when cut like poplar do but, they hold leaves a long time and deer do not browse them. They won’t produce nuts for 20 years and then older once every 5-6 years do they have a bumper crop. When they do they’re a huge draw. But, they will take over an area if not stump sprayed when cut. I think you’re right on the basal spraying. I just need to get an idea on what the buckthorn, and young black birch look like before I go on attack. I think all through my camp property and find hundreds of young volunteer oaks. I found very few surviving oak volunteers on the new property in the cut areas. I’ll be flagging them and then working on killing the others.
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 18, 2023 4:54:37 GMT -6
I was told by one of the foresters there was some buckthorn on my new property. I want to get a handle on what it is and attack it this year so it doesn’t go wild when I log and get more sunlight. I believe he will be including that info in the timber survey follow up. If you have berry producing female buckthorn and you open the canopy, you'll almost certainly get a whole bunch of new shrubs popping up. Not a big deal if you get on top of the stuff right away, but if you wait a few years like I did...it becomes a bigger deal I waited decades on the buckthorn and it is hopeless.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 18, 2023 6:04:15 GMT -6
I have zero experience with black birch or beech, but I'd think they would also be easily controlled with basal spraying when 2" diameter or smaller. They both are low light loving trees that will outcompete oaks, pine, and maples if a thinning cut is done instead of a clear cut. Beech root sprout when cut like poplar do but, they hold leaves a long time and deer do not browse them. They won’t produce nuts for 20 years and then older once every 5-6 years do they have a bumper crop. When they do they’re a huge draw. But, they will take over an area if not stump sprayed when cut. I think you’re right on the basal spraying. I just need to get an idea on what the buckthorn, and young black birch look like before I go on attack. I think all through my camp property and find hundreds of young volunteer oaks. I found very few surviving oak volunteers on the new property in the cut areas. I’ll be flagging them and then working on killing the others. Yep, good first step. I've gotten to the point that I can spot a heavily browsed 3' tall buckthorn shrub surrounded by other brush of the same height very quickly.
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Post by benmnwi on Apr 18, 2023 20:45:03 GMT -6
I cut and sprayed some buckthorn tonight in my food plot expansion I worked on all winter. I used some blue dye for the first time and that stuff is great. It is amazing how much stuff you miss without that.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 26, 2023 17:59:56 GMT -6
I have zero experience with black birch or beech, but I'd think they would also be easily controlled with basal spraying when 2" diameter or smaller. They both are low light loving trees that will outcompete oaks, pine, and maples if a thinning cut is done instead of a clear cut. Beech root sprout when cut like poplar do but, they hold leaves a long time and deer do not browse them. They won’t produce nuts for 20 years and then older once every 5-6 years do they have a bumper crop. When they do they’re a huge draw. But, they will take over an area if not stump sprayed when cut. I think you’re right on the basal spraying. I just need to get an idea on what the buckthorn, and young black birch look like before I go on attack. I think all through my camp property and find hundreds of young volunteer oaks. I found very few surviving oak volunteers on the new property in the cut areas. I’ll be flagging them and then working on killing the others. Today, I learned that river birch is also called black birch by some publications. Is the black birch you have river birch (betula nigra), or sweet birch(betula lenta) or something else? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betula_nigraen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betula_lenta
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Post by Bwoods11 on Apr 27, 2023 10:33:24 GMT -6
My face is all cut up from taking out buckthorn ! Looks like I was in a Domestic!
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Post by biglakebass on Apr 27, 2023 10:44:18 GMT -6
people sure look at me funny after a weekend in the woods. All tore up. too dumb to wear a long sleeve shirt.
I have permanent scars on my arms from being attacked by prickly ash.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 27, 2023 10:53:00 GMT -6
It's usually prickly ash that tears me up
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 27, 2023 20:42:01 GMT -6
They both are low light loving trees that will outcompete oaks, pine, and maples if a thinning cut is done instead of a clear cut. Beech root sprout when cut like poplar do but, they hold leaves a long time and deer do not browse them. They won’t produce nuts for 20 years and then older once every 5-6 years do they have a bumper crop. When they do they’re a huge draw. But, they will take over an area if not stump sprayed when cut. I think you’re right on the basal spraying. I just need to get an idea on what the buckthorn, and young black birch look like before I go on attack. I think all through my camp property and find hundreds of young volunteer oaks. I found very few surviving oak volunteers on the new property in the cut areas. I’ll be flagging them and then working on killing the others. Today, I learned that river birch is also called black birch by some publications. Is the black birch you have river birch (betula nigra), or sweet birch(betula lenta) or something else? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betula_nigraen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betula_lentaBetula lenta aka sweet birch, The forestry plan calls for them to take out 5000bf of them leaving 30,000bf. I may make them take more. I think my father in-law has that River birch. It tends torach for sunlight and be multi trucked here. The neighbor down the hill list 5-6 during our freezing rain and wind storm in December b.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 28, 2023 5:20:18 GMT -6
Betula lenta aka sweet birch, The forestry plan calls for them to take out 5000bf of them leaving 30,000bf. I may make them take more. I think my father in-law has that River birch. It tends torach for sunlight and be multi trucked here. The neighbor down the hill list 5-6 during our freezing rain and wind storm in December b. I guess I had assumed it wasn't river birch. I've never seen river birch grow in an invasive manner, but then again I've never been in New Hampshire. I think I've only seen betula lenta once. My old Conservation teacher in H.S. showed us one growing somewhere in the general area of where I used to live. For all I know (remember) it may have been a tree he planted.
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Post by Bwoods11 on May 7, 2023 18:39:26 GMT -6
We cut some buckthorn today that looked like it was 25-30 years old !
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Post by nhmountains on May 8, 2023 6:27:40 GMT -6
We cut some buckthorn today that looked like it was 25-30 years old ! You spray the stumps??
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