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Post by smsmith on Nov 18, 2019 8:50:28 GMT -6
If you go in with heavy equipment, I'm not sure how you would effectively treat the stumps with herbicide? Cutting the shit down without spraying/treating the stumps would be a waste of time.
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 18, 2019 8:52:50 GMT -6
They will just grow back.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 18, 2019 9:29:01 GMT -6
^. I think it takes a two-man team to kill the buckthorn. One does the cutting as the other watches the stump location(s) and coats the stump with the killer. (I like Tordon RTU). Get a loppers for the small stuff and a chain saw for the bigger stuff........use a paint brush or sponge......or I suppose a sprayer could work too (but I think you would waste more expensive Tordon when you spray it)
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Post by batman on Nov 18, 2019 9:33:58 GMT -6
My buckthorn identifies as chokecherry. Who would hurt a chokecherry tree?
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 18, 2019 10:54:55 GMT -6
^. I think it takes a two-man team to kill the buckthorn. One does the cutting as the other watches the stump location(s) and coats the stump with the killer. (I like Tordon RTU). Get a loppers for the small stuff and a chain saw for the bigger stuff........use a paint brush or sponge......or I suppose a sprayer could work too (but I think you would waste more expensive Tordon when you spray it) Crossbow is about 60 bucks for a gallon. 11 oz per 2 gallons of deisel. Thats a lot of treated trees for $60 plus the fuel. we are going to try the basil bark spray versus cutting. We have so much, it will cover more ground in a big way with just spraying. Stu has confirmed the results wreaked havoc on his buckthorn.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 18, 2019 12:23:43 GMT -6
I just got back to the house after spraying 2 gallons of diesel and Crossbow on a shitload of buckthorn. I virtually guarantee it'll all be dead come spring. Unfortunately, the area I was just working in is a "new" area that I have been missing so far. Most of the stuff is young, so at least the outbreak area is pretty small. It is interesting, you find one big mature bitch loaded with berries...and you can see that the birds eat the berries, shit them out very quickly and more buckthorn gets started. This new infestation is almost linear.
I also hit a whole bunch of what I call outliers, they are pretty much immature singletons without berries (thankfully). I always plan to work from the outside in...hit the outliers to prevent new infestations and work my way into the epicenter. Sure seemed to do a good job on the shit last winter.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Nov 18, 2019 12:34:22 GMT -6
I just got back to the house after spraying 2 gallons of diesel and Crossbow on a shitload of buckthorn. I virtually guarantee it'll all be dead come spring. Unfortunately, the area I was just working in is a "new" area that I have been missing so far. Most of the stuff is young, so at least the outbreak area is pretty small. It is interesting, you find one big mature bitch loaded with berries...and you can see that the birds eat the berries, shit them out very quickly and more buckthorn gets started. This new infestation is almost linear. I also hit a whole bunch of what I call outliers, they are pretty much immature singletons without berries (thankfully). I always plan to work from the outside in...hit the outliers to prevent new infestations and work my way into the epicenter. Sure seemed to do a good job on the shit last winter. Was there a lot of deer sign in that area? My buckthorn areas are very popular with the deer.
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Post by batman on Nov 18, 2019 12:37:19 GMT -6
I put some fertilizer around the drip line of my best fruiting buckthorn.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 18, 2019 12:47:25 GMT -6
I just got back to the house after spraying 2 gallons of diesel and Crossbow on a shitload of buckthorn. I virtually guarantee it'll all be dead come spring. Unfortunately, the area I was just working in is a "new" area that I have been missing so far. Most of the stuff is young, so at least the outbreak area is pretty small. It is interesting, you find one big mature bitch loaded with berries...and you can see that the birds eat the berries, shit them out very quickly and more buckthorn gets started. This new infestation is almost linear. I also hit a whole bunch of what I call outliers, they are pretty much immature singletons without berries (thankfully). I always plan to work from the outside in...hit the outliers to prevent new infestations and work my way into the epicenter. Sure seemed to do a good job on the shit last winter. Was there a lot of deer sign in that area? My buckthorn areas are very popular with the deer. Buckthorn tends to show up in/near my hinged areas, so ya...there's plenty of deer sign around. Bucks do seem to enjoy rubbing the stuff, they did on my old place too.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 18, 2019 12:50:14 GMT -6
I put some fertilizer around the drip line of my best fruiting buckthorn. Buckthorn certainly can make for a thick, nearly in-penetrable mess. I understand why some people don't fight it. I am walking past bush honeysuckle while targeting buckthorn. Years in the future maybe I'll regret not killing the B.H. too. I just know what buckthorn can do when it goes unchecked, and I don't want a woods full of nothing in the understory besides buckthorn.
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 18, 2019 13:09:07 GMT -6
I put some fertilizer around the drip line of my best fruiting buckthorn. Buckthorn certainly can make for a thick, nearly in-penetrable mess. I understand why some people don't fight it. I am walking past bush honeysuckle while targeting buckthorn. Years in the future maybe I'll regret not killing the B.H. too. I just know what buckthorn can do when it goes unchecked, and I don't want a woods full of nothing in the understory besides buckthorn. I got that where I dropped cedars for a blockade.
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Post by benmnwi on Nov 18, 2019 13:15:52 GMT -6
When you go the basal bark poisoning route, how long do the dead buckthorns stay standing before they fall over and/or rot?
Have you guys noticed any adjacent good trees dying when you use the basal bark method?
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Post by smsmith on Nov 18, 2019 13:19:43 GMT -6
When you go the basal bark poisoning route, how long do the dead buckthorns stay standing before they fall over and/or rot? Have you guys noticed any adjacent good trees dying when you use the basal bark method? I've got some that were sprayed last year that are tipping over. Many more dead ones are still standing. Those are tipped over are in seasonally damp areas, so the wind is more able to tip them over I suppose. I have not noticed any collateral damage, but I'm sure that is a possibility. I believe the odds of that happening are much higher with Tordon than with Crossbow or Triclopyr though.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 19, 2019 14:23:18 GMT -6
2 more gallons of diesel and Crossbow applied. I let that shit go too many years before starting the fight I do have it relatively contained now, but the remaining area is pretty much a 100% buckthorn understory (maybe 1 - 1.5 acres in size)....and it's in one of the thickest areas on my place. I'm going to have to saw my way in in spots so I can get to the trunks for spraying. I see lots of females in there...so unless I control them I'll never control the shit elsewhere on the place. edit...I do want to caution anyone who is going to go the basal spray route. You need to know your buckthorn. Some still has leaves and some doesn't. I found two more wild apples/crabs today...the bark on those trees is pretty similar to bark on more mature (2-5" diameter) buckthorn.
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 19, 2019 15:32:53 GMT -6
For starters we will only attack trees with leaves. I figure killing what we can is a start.
Maybe a dumb thought but i considered leaving a couple small super thick areas alone. The cover is impressive. My thoughts are what does it matter when the neighbors arent going to touch theirs. So it will come back.
Number 1 effort. Eradicate around stands for about 100 yds out. Not that we can shoot 100 yds in many spots but to see a deer approaching would be nice.
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