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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 1, 2017 10:39:18 GMT -6
I have a CRP plan to plant a bunch of trees in Otter Tail County, almost 5000 total....kinda nice 90% paid for. Without looking at the plan, I think there will be 1000 oak trees. Red, Pin, Bur, Swamp White Oak mixed in (a few hybrids too). Tubes on some, cages on some, I expect less than 50% survival, just from past experience. I am hoping to get some acorns in 10-12 years? Have you guys had any planted oaks produce acorns for you in a 10-12 year span?  private picture hosting |
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Post by Catscratch on Mar 1, 2017 11:12:14 GMT -6
I've had Sawtooth produce in less than 10yrs. No experience planting what you listed...
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 1, 2017 11:16:46 GMT -6
I've had Sawtooth produce in less than 10yrs. No experience planting what you listed... You should try the swamp bur hybrid (in Kansas) that tree would grow like a weed. They take off up here in MN. |
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Post by Catscratch on Mar 1, 2017 11:23:49 GMT -6
I've had Sawtooth produce in less than 10yrs. No experience planting what you listed... You should try the swamp bur hybrid (in Kansas) that tree would grow like a weed. They take off up here in MN. Can yo get any acorns to send me in the fall? Or is this a hybrid that I need to buy to ensure the correct cross? If they grow anything like my Bur's they would be great. |
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Post by wiscwhip on Mar 1, 2017 11:26:03 GMT -6
What you want are Schuette's oaks(SWO/Bur cross) they can be had from a few nursuries, and in KS I would not be afraid to plant trees from any of them. In a northern tier state, I would make sure the acorns/seedlings were from a northern source. They have the potential to outgrow your bur oaks.
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Post by Catscratch on Mar 1, 2017 11:30:44 GMT -6
I've heard lots about Schuettes, never really put much thought into them. I may have to give them some more thought and order a couple.
Do you know when they drop compared to Bur? Later drop would be good, I don't really want anything that drops earlier.
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Post by wiscwhip on Mar 1, 2017 12:41:16 GMT -6
I've heard lots about Schuettes, never really put much thought into them. I may have to give them some more thought and order a couple. Do you know when they drop compared to Bur? Later drop would be good, I don't really want anything that drops earlier. I can't give a real definitive answer on this, but I would hope that wherever you sourced the stock from would have some idea of when the parent trees typically drop. |
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 1, 2017 12:50:49 GMT -6
My swamp bur oak hybrid is from Kelly Tree Farm in Iowa. Absolutely my favorite tree (hands down). They produced acorns in 5-6 years for me in MN. This is key, because if you take care of them in warmer climates. I almost guarantee eary acorns. I know some guys in Iowa that said they are seeing a 2-3 footer grow to 15-20 feet in 8-9 years and dropping acorns. (Can try to get you some acorns this fall, remind me) they drop in September.  |
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 1, 2017 13:37:36 GMT -6
I have to try these hybrids in Iowa. Keep saying that I will get down there to plant them, but every year seems like baseball games hit the weekends I want to go plant.
A guy can go straight Swamp White Oak on the right soil down there and have nice trees and acorns in 10 years.
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Post by Catscratch on Mar 1, 2017 13:47:27 GMT -6
I have some SWO that I started from seed a few weeks ago. I've only had 4 send up top growth but that might be enough if I take care of them.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 1, 2017 17:34:48 GMT -6
Bur Oak will often throw off a rare fast grower. Side by side, one will be 12-14 feet. Right next to it, 3 feet tall. Very unpredictable
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 2, 2017 7:24:14 GMT -6
Planting oaks has pretty much been a bust for me other than a few trees. I suspect it is my light soils, and summer droughts that hit most years except he last two. Don't buy Morse.
I have a few SWO I started from acorns. They do not grow very fast either.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 2, 2017 9:48:17 GMT -6
Art--I think they are a low survival proposition in most cases. I have come to expect 25-50% survival, sometimes even less. On this new oak planting, if I get 100 to survive and thrive I will be happy. Cage, tube...almost a must. The swamp bur oak hybrid, seems to be an exception, they grow fast and survive.  This pic is a bur oak that has produced a few acorns...I think it is 10-11 years old |
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Post by jbird on Mar 4, 2017 18:38:31 GMT -6
My neighbors row planted acres and acres of different oaks and they are going on 10 years old not essentially none has produced yet that I have seen.....
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 8, 2017 11:10:40 GMT -6
My neighbors row planted acres and acres of different oaks and they are going on 10 years old not essentially none has produced yet that I have seen..... That kind of surprises me for Indiana. I have about 10-15 oaks producing some acorns here in MN, same age. I have one planted from an acorn that is pretty darn nice tree already. So much of it is maintenance, there is a real impressive oak tree planting just west of Brooten, MN. If anyone ever drives by there it is on Hwy 55 (north side) all tubed, mowed, and babied. I bet there is 1000 oak trees alive and well, probably dropping a few acorns by now. |
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