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Post by Catscratch on Sept 2, 2020 5:58:49 GMT -6
Little surf and turf action. Fall is upon us!!!! Nice bluegill! Is that eating size for you guys, or are they going back into the pond?
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Post by Reagan on Sept 2, 2020 6:10:39 GMT -6
Good video on turtle cleaning. We would have the shell rolling around on a picnic table. Locking it down would be a hell of a lot easier. I do too many things by diving into it. YouTube can help and I don’t use it enough.
If that’s not an eating size bluegill then I’ve never caught one before.
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Post by Catscratch on Sept 2, 2020 6:23:02 GMT -6
Good video on turtle cleaning. We would have the shell rolling around on a picnic table. Locking it down would be a hell of a lot easier. I do too many things by diving into it. YouTube can help and I don’t use it enough. If that’s not an eating size bluegill then I’ve never caught one before. Mnfish is half crazy about his fish. If he was as serious about deer as he is fish, he would be the guy passing 180" deer.
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Post by mnfish on Sept 2, 2020 7:56:58 GMT -6
Rebuilding an old pond. Restocking with brooders like this bull. Normally we eat the smaller fish and release the bigger ones. Especially bulls. I want a 10"" plus so bad!
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 2, 2020 8:09:38 GMT -6
[quote author=" mnfish" source="/post/131447/thread" timestamp="1599055018"I want a 10"" plus so bad![/quote] Don’t we all!
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Post by Catscratch on Sept 2, 2020 8:46:17 GMT -6
Rebuilding an old pond. Restocking with brooders like this bull. Normally we eat the smaller fish and release the bigger ones. Especially bulls. I want a 10"" plus so bad! Doing some research that suggests keeping all male bass and throwing back females that are over your slot limit. Theory being that electro surveys shows males never make double digits, only females. Take out all bass under 17inches and all males = best chance of getting a 10lb'r. Does the same hold true for other fish like bluegills?
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Post by mnfish on Sept 2, 2020 10:15:51 GMT -6
Rebuilding an old pond. Restocking with brooders like this bull. Normally we eat the smaller fish and release the bigger ones. Especially bulls. I want a 10"" plus so bad! Doing some research that suggests keeping all male bass and throwing back females that are over your slot limit. Theory being that electro surveys shows males never make double digits, only females. Take out all bass under 17inches and all males = best chance of getting a 10lb'r. Does the same hold true for other fish like bluegills? From my research, just the opposite for big gills. Bass heavy, nothing over say 14" lmb (male heavy). And harvest as many of the female gills as possible...have you heard different?
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Post by Catscratch on Sept 2, 2020 10:33:47 GMT -6
Doing some research that suggests keeping all male bass and throwing back females that are over your slot limit. Theory being that electro surveys shows males never make double digits, only females. Take out all bass under 17inches and all males = best chance of getting a 10lb'r. Does the same hold true for other fish like bluegills? From my research, just the opposite for big gills. Bass heavy, nothing over say 14" lmb (male heavy). And harvest as many of the female gills as possible...have you heard different? No, I have not heard different but what you say makes sense. Bluegills will over populate quickly with high female numbers, large lmb are capable of eating the larger bluegills so you wouldn't want them in there, a large population of smaller bass to keep baby bluegill numbers down so that the survivors have plenty of food... sounds like a great plan. My post was just wondering out loud about the genetic possibilities of female fish outgrowing male fish... but I certainly see the point in reducing females to keep competition down. The opposite would be true in a bass pond where bluegills are the main forage. Keep the females making as many babies as possible for easy eating.
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Post by biglakebass on Sept 2, 2020 10:35:40 GMT -6
I texted my fisheries friend. He was a part of a Bluegill study here in MN if I recall. The size of average bluegills in a lake is directly dependent on how large the male bluegills are in the population. Believe it or not. The results were very interesting. I will try to get the report.
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Post by mnfish on Sept 2, 2020 10:37:28 GMT -6
From my research, just the opposite for big gills. Bass heavy, nothing over say 14" lmb (male heavy). And harvest as many of the female gills as possible...have you heard different? No, I have not heard different but what you say makes sense. Bluegills will over populate quickly with high female numbers, large lmb are capable of eating the larger bluegills so you wouldn't want them in there, a large population of smaller bass to keep baby bluegill numbers down so that the survivors have plenty of food... sounds like a great plan. My post was just wondering out loud about the genetic possibilities of female fish outgrowing male fish... but I certainly see the point in reducing females to keep competition down. The opposite would be true in a bass pond where bluegills are the main forage. Keep the females making as many babies as possible for easy eating. That makes sense! I'm trying a little norther latitude twist on achieving trophy gills.. Im over stocking WE to continue hammering the small gils thru the winter while the LMB are less active. We shall see
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Post by mnfish on Sept 2, 2020 10:38:06 GMT -6
I texted my fisheries friend. He was a part of a Bluegill study here in MN if I recall. The size of average bluegills in a lake is directly dependent on how large the male bluegills are in the population. Believe it or not. The results were very interesting. I will try to get the report. that would be great!
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Post by biglakebass on Sept 2, 2020 11:01:19 GMT -6
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Post by biglakebass on Sept 2, 2020 11:08:38 GMT -6
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Post by Catscratch on Sept 2, 2020 11:14:28 GMT -6
Sooo, is it saying that for big bluegills to not take males off the beds but to only catch and keep non-nesting fish. That way cuckolding doesn't happen. I wonder if it's an epigenetics thing where healthy males turn on a gene for increased growth rates before spermatogenisis? Unhealthy males have the gene turned off so that their offspring don't need the amount of food to survive that a genetically bigger fish needs? Lots of out loud thinking going on here!
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Post by biglakebass on Sept 2, 2020 11:47:44 GMT -6
Sooo, is it saying that for big bluegills to not take males off the beds but to only catch and keep non-nesting fish. That way cuckolding doesn't happen. I wonder if it's an epigenetics thing where healthy males turn on a gene for increased growth rates before spermatogenisis? Unhealthy males have the gene turned off so that their offspring don't need the amount of food to survive that a genetically bigger fish needs? Lots of out loud thinking going on here! i dont think thats necessarily what its saying. Its stating that nesting fish are more vulnerable. If I understand correctly, the simple point here is that over harvest of mature males in a lake, has a negative affect on the average size of the population. They could be overharvested while off nests too, but far less of a chance since they are dispersed.
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