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Post by mclovin on Mar 13, 2017 15:59:44 GMT -6
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 13, 2017 17:29:47 GMT -6
You can't possibly think Obama care was working. You are great at hitting the liberal talking points. The millions to loose coverage assumes all that were forced to take Obama care don't find coverage elsewhere. Obama thought he could force 40 million of these people onto the rolls to make it some what attractive to insurance companies to insure everyone. Even almost giving insurance away he couldn't get there. Obama care was always going to collapse and they knew it. Their hope was another democratic president and they could ram a single payer system through. Only problem was it was so bad it cost them both house and the big white one. I am sure you union guys would strike over a single payer system being rammed down your throats. |
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 13, 2017 18:01:57 GMT -6
This is Phase of 1 of 3 planned for by the Republicans. Most people hope whoever is in office makes healthcare work, what do you want? Republicans fought against Obama care because it was 20,000 pages and Democrats voted for it without reading it. What the republicans did understand about it was that it would financially fail. Obviously healthcare is incredibly complex as the Democrats and CBO found out. Obama care is not an option and as a Minnesota taxpayer who help pay $350 million for one year to bail it out I want it fixed. That’s a one year shortfall for only Minnesota. |
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Post by kabic on Mar 13, 2017 19:28:40 GMT -6
This is probably my libertarian side showing, but we discussing how best the government can provide health care, but I'm not sure it should be doing it at all.
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Post by mclovin on Mar 13, 2017 19:57:18 GMT -6
This is probably my libertarian side showing, but we discussing how best the government can provide health care, but I'm not sure it should be doing it at all. I don't disagree. Another question a libertarian should be asking is if the US should be dropping bombs all over the middle east and slaughtering children and pregnant women. I understand they worship the wrong imaginary invisible sky father, but maybe we should just gtfo? |
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Post by kabic on Mar 13, 2017 22:25:42 GMT -6
This is probably my libertarian side showing, but we discussing how best the government can provide health care, but I'm not sure it should be doing it at all. I don't disagree. Another question a libertarian should be asking is if the US should be dropping bombs all over the middle east and slaughtering children and pregnant women. I understand they worship the wrong imaginary invisible sky father, but maybe we should just gtfo? I won't argue too much about that, not a fan of nation building. I will say that if we do decide to go to war we shouldn't pussy foot around. Don't give out restrictive rules of combat, crush your enemy. Taking sniper fire from a building? Don't endanger a squad to clear it, flatten it. |
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 14, 2017 12:14:13 GMT -6
I agree with Freeborn that Obamacare was doomed to fail. Too expensive. Now the question is how to back out of it.
It is so complicated that I doubt anyone understands the issue or the 20,0000 pages.
Would part of the solution be to put Congress and the President on the same system as us? I suspect cost is not an issue with Trump, but it sure if for my family when trying to figure out retirement as well as paying the bills, year to year.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Mar 23, 2017 4:57:20 GMT -6
This is probably my libertarian side showing, but we discussing how best the government can provide health care, but I'm not sure it should be doing it at all. I don't disagree. Another question a libertarian should be asking is if the US should be dropping bombs all over the middle east and slaughtering children and pregnant women. I understand they worship the wrong imaginary invisible sky father, but maybe we should just gtfo? We did it in Japan, worked well then! We should keep going! |
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 23, 2017 11:26:22 GMT -6
My premium went from $580 to $1560 since Obamacare started. Not only that, as an agent, I cannot sell it health anymore, my clients have to go online. Try telling that to a 63 year old that does not like computers. The health care websites often didn't work and cost us billions to implement. It was a double wammy for me.
Few things would rank as high in the disaster category as Obamacare.
There are many people in my hometown that get free health care (paid my others) and since they do not have the expense anymore they travel to Florida/Mexico etc... One family has over a dozen rental homes, they make good money, but their tax return shows they qualify for subsidies. Great for them, not so good, for the rest of us who are paying for their health,...and their expensive trips.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 23, 2017 13:01:02 GMT -6
My premium went from $580 to $1560 since Obamacare started. Not only that, as an agent, I cannot sell it health anymore, my clients have to go online. Try telling that to a 63 year old that does not like computers. The health care websites often didn't work and cost us billions to implement. It was a double wammy for me. Few things would rank as high in the disaster category as Obamacare. There are many people in my hometown that get free health care (paid my others) and since they do not have the expense anymore they travel to Florida/Mexico etc... One family has over a dozen rental homes, they make good money, but their tax return shows they qualify for subsidies. Great for them, not so good, for the rest of us who are paying for their health,...and their expensive trips. How many family members under those prices? A past co-worker of mine who does consulting was paying $1500 for his wife and himself and now are paying $2200 for the same coverage. That's basically a 47% increase in one year. Even with these increases Minnshare had a budget shortfall of 350 million which Minnesota taxpayers paid for. Obama set this whole thing up by having many of the mandates effective in 2016. Hopefully they can make progress lowering costs. They need to go after the high profits in everything that touches healthcare. |
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Post by biglakebass on Mar 23, 2017 13:28:21 GMT -6
Hopefully they can make progress lowering costs. They need to go after the high profits in everything that touches healthcare. god no shit. Took my daughter in to an allegy specialist last month. We were there less than 45 minutes. They did the skin prick tests to see what stuff she is allergic to. Seemed pretty basic. Got the bill.. $1200 for the office visit!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 23, 2017 14:29:58 GMT -6
It starts with tort reform. Half the tests they do today are to avoid being sued if a one in a million happens. I just went in for stitches after a branch broke the skin on my chest. I wouldn't of went but wife made me go. It took 3-4 stitches to sew up but they insisted on doing a chest exray. I said no but they insisted and scared the shit out of me on what could happen if I didn't get one. I finally caved but they were not letting me leave without that pointless exray. Current system calls for excessive tests and excessive drugs.
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Post by Catscratch on Mar 23, 2017 14:37:22 GMT -6
It starts with tort reform. Half the tests they do today are to avoid being sued if a one in a million happens. I just went in for stitches after a branch broke the skin on my chest. I wouldn't of went but wife made me go. It took 3-4 stitches to sew up but they insisted on doing a chest exray. I said no but they insisted and scared the shit out of me on what could happen if I didn't get one. I finally caved but they were not letting me leave without that pointless exray. Current system calls for excessive tests and excessive drugs. I know a guy who is a doctor and he quit a job because he wouldn't do all the tests the hospital requested. He got in hot water with them when he stopped doing ex-rays that didn't make sense. Lots of tension between him and the board because of it before he moved on to a different place. He argued that protocol needed an option "B" for when something obviously doesn't need checked. This was probably 15yrs ago, before the insurance rates went to shit. He said this would happen, saw it coming. |
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 23, 2017 16:17:10 GMT -6
Sounds like this shitpile bill has been derailed at least for the time being. Media is saying there are around 40 congressman that have opposed it and sent it back.
I hope the Trumpster is putting on some theatre with this shit, or I'm off team Trump from here.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 23, 2017 17:47:40 GMT -6
I would be happy if they played theater for two years, pick up 8 seats in the Senate, then stick it up Shummer and Pelosi's ass. Until then cut taxes, build the wall, and wipe out Isis. There is no way to fix Obamacare without 60 seats in the Senate.
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