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Post by wiscwhip on Mar 26, 2017 12:06:33 GMT -6
Problem is, you can't have it both ways. Do you want cheap healthcare or record earnings in your stocks and market accounts? These large medical equipment manufacturers and drug companies have posted record profits damn near every quarter for many, many years and that comes with a cost. Greed drives the ever increasing cost of medical care far more than any other issue. Period.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 26, 2017 14:48:20 GMT -6
Problem is, you can't have it both ways. Do you want cheap healthcare or record earnings in your stocks and market accounts? These large medical equipment manufacturers and drug companies have posted record profits damn near every quarter for many, many years and that comes with a cost. Greed drives the ever increasing cost of medical care far more than any other issue. Period. Most of those profits go to the 1% group. The healthcare industry also consumes allot of disposable income and crowds out markets where consumers could spend their income. I have said it for a long time, healthcare spending should be tied to a metric like GNP so costs don't exceed the growth in the nations wealth. Basically little to zero deficit spending. Only politicians can screw-up a 3 trillion + budget. There is enough revenue but politicians just can't spend enough.
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Post by leexrayshady on Mar 26, 2017 18:41:29 GMT -6
What a lot of people forget to remember is that employer coverage is mostly covered by the employer. Nearly 83 percent according to Google. People want to pay the same that company employee do but then forget to realize how much that company is actually putting in.
Everybody want the greatest coverage at the lowest price and that is just not possible.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 26, 2017 18:56:32 GMT -6
I'm going to STFU for the most part right now...but the ideas of "good health" and "ability to pay for it" along with what Jesus would say seem awfully contradictory to me.
Happy Lent season
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 26, 2017 20:39:29 GMT -6
You've got to seperate health care from health insurance. If you look at the scoreboard, sure more low income emergency room people got put onto medicaid, but health care has been placed further away for folks who don't qualify for medicaid. All the stampede into medicaid did was change what room low income people get their health care. The ones who are still stuck with insurance maybe even got heavily subsidized insurance, but they'll die before they can afford the out of pocket due to deductibles having to go sky high.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 28, 2017 7:43:26 GMT -6
I heard that hospitals get about 30% less from Medicaid patients than from those with insurance. The report on MPR said the Mn. Metro has lots of people on Medicaid as compared to most rural areas. I suspect many of us pay our share and the extra for those on Medicaid.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 28, 2017 8:04:57 GMT -6
I heard that hospitals get about 30% less from Medicaid patients than from those with insurance. The report on MPR said the Mn. Metro has lots of people on Medicaid as compared to most rural areas. I suspect many of us pay our share and the extra for those on Medicaid. That's how it works , we also pay for the un-insured. one thing I liked about Obama-care was the insurance mandate. Having more people in the pool will spread the cost and have younger healthier people paying into the system. I still like the idea of a market approach when it comes to buying and consuming healthcare. If you apply HSA's people will only consume healthcare when they need it. At the same time HSA's might not work for families or elderly as they demand more healthcare and therefore there is no benefit to them to have a HSA. Complicated issue. As I understand it the chronically I'll consume a very large sum of healthcare dollars, they and end of life costs are where the hard decisions probably need to be made.
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Post by terrifictom on Mar 28, 2017 8:17:25 GMT -6
I heard that hospitals get about 30% less from Medicaid patients than from those with insurance. The report on MPR said the Mn. Metro has lots of people on Medicaid as compared to most rural areas. I suspect many of us pay our share and the extra for those on Medicaid. As opposed to not being on Medicaid, they still get treated, which hospitals are obligated to do and the hospitals and doctors passing the entire cost on to patients that have insurance. It is a double edge sword. I think the answer is controlling the outrageous cost of health care and the outrageous profits that insurance companies are taking. Has any one noticed the buildings or additions that the Health insurance companies are putting up in the last few years. Some call it free enterprise, I call it holding most of us hostage. We pay the ransom or insurance as it is called.
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Post by kabic on Mar 28, 2017 17:02:53 GMT -6
Seems like in the old days, people just died. Today we spend what ever the cost to squeeze out a few more years.
I see no point in squeezing out those extra years if they are not "quality" years. I for one don't want spend my last years going to the doctor every week. I totally get the people who say screw the chemo, I'm just going to make most of the time I have left.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 28, 2017 17:07:02 GMT -6
Seems like in the old days, people just died. Today we spend what ever the cost to squeeze out a few more years. I see no point in squeezing out those extra years if they are not "quality" years. I for one don't want spend my last years going to the doctor every week. I totally get the people who say screw the chemo, I'm just going to make most of the time I have left. I agree. Just make sure your wishes are known and written down in a living will. Docs tell me I'm stage 4 and I'm just gonna live until the pain is too much, then I hope they pump me full of morphine until I don't wake up.
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Post by Reagan on Mar 28, 2017 17:30:44 GMT -6
But on the flip side.
My mother was stage 4 exactly 5 years ago. Breast cancer that had spread into her lungs. They said chemo might give her 6-12 months. She was 60 at the time.
Now she is in remission. She is so far off the bell curve that they don't even know what to say other than enjoy it while you can. We know that when it comes back, it will be with a vengeance.
She has seen the birth of a granddaughter during that time. She has travelled, enjoyed life and been there for my dad through his cancer battle.
Stage 4 isn't always a death sentence. I understand why people don't fight it but I have learned why people do.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 28, 2017 18:07:17 GMT -6
But on the flip side. My mother was stage 4 exactly 5 years ago. Breast cancer that had spread into her lungs. They said chemo might give her 6-12 months. She was 60 at the time. Now she is in remission. She is so far off the bell curve that they don't even know what to say other than enjoy it while you can. We know that when it comes back, it will be with a vengeance. She has seen the birth of a granddaughter during that time. She has travelled, enjoyed life and been there for my dad through his cancer battle. Stage 4 isn't always a death sentence. I understand why people don't fight it but I have learned why people do. Absolutely no argument from me on that. My late wife was stage 4 when diagnosed and she fought it tooth and nail for 2 months and 3 weeks. Chemo, radiation, and she qualified for an experimental trial. I do not denigrate those who choose to fight it for as long as they can.
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Post by Reagan on Mar 28, 2017 19:26:54 GMT -6
But on the flip side. My mother was stage 4 exactly 5 years ago. Breast cancer that had spread into her lungs. They said chemo might give her 6-12 months. She was 60 at the time. Now she is in remission. She is so far off the bell curve that they don't even know what to say other than enjoy it while you can. We know that when it comes back, it will be with a vengeance. She has seen the birth of a granddaughter during that time. She has travelled, enjoyed life and been there for my dad through his cancer battle. Stage 4 isn't always a death sentence. I understand why people don't fight it but I have learned why people do. Absolutely no argument from me on that. My late wife was stage 4 when diagnosed and she fought it tooth and nail for 2 months and 3 weeks. Chemo, radiation, and she qualified for an experimental trial. I do not denigrate those who choose to fight it for as long as they can. Good lord. Not even three months. Stories like that are what keep my parents mostly positive. They know people who don't get as much time as they have. They also see the kids who have it which is about the saddest thing in the world.
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Post by wildfire123 on Apr 4, 2017 8:00:55 GMT -6
new to the agenda, right wing republicans can hopefully be bribed to vote down oboma care--everyone has a price point, business as usual!
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Post by Reagan on Apr 4, 2017 8:51:28 GMT -6
new to the agenda, right wing republicans can hopefully be bribed to vote down oboma care--everyone has a price point, business as usual! Why would you need to bribe a right wing republican to vote down Obamacare? If they did vote it down, I would say they are actually doing the will of the people who put them in office. I'm thankful for those that ruined the POS Trump/Ryan care. Passing any piece of crap legislation just to say you passed something isn't doing us any good. Now Trump wants to primary those who listened to their voters and stopped it. I think he is making a mistake on that.
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