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Post by smsmith on Jul 22, 2020 8:42:23 GMT -6
Well, now Trump is telling us to wear masks. So? Is that a big story? It pisses me off. Other than that, no. I see the mask issue as a mind control exercise. Right now, the masks are being "sold" as the way to get kids back in school this fall. I don't see that happening in MN, but I could be wrong. I'm guessing Walz announces a statewide mask mandate today or tomorrow. Even Dr. Gloom and Doom says there's zero scientific evidence mask wearing does diddily squat As mask mandates are becoming the norm…one expert heavily cited during the COVID-19 pandemic says we should not be over-confident in the protection offered by masks. On his weekly COVID-19 podcast the U-of-M’s Dr. Michael Osterholm says he does still favor wearing a face covering, but…
“Also be mindful that we don’t know how well they work and there are reasons to challenge they may work really well, and that therefore, it’s still about distancing, distancing, and distancing.”
Of the C-D-C’s initial recommendation on face coverings, Osterholm said it was published without a single scientific paper or other evidence to support that cloth masks provide any protection. He said in his entire 45 year career he has never seen such a far reaching public recommendation issued without any supporting data.
Source - ktoe.com/2020/07/22/osterholm-wear-a-mask-but-dont-be-over-confident-in-its-effectiveness/?fbclid=IwAR2CPDYpVcJs1WuH-wCIUGgHH_z4B9s1rp9jYi4r_IhOu0NtHl8OWgKqJQ0
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Post by nhmountains on Jul 22, 2020 9:08:24 GMT -6
I think a lot depends on when Moderna , Pfizer and others pass the next test phase. If they start producing a vaccine in September then that should dampen the push for mail In ballots. People want to get past this hurdle and get back to normal. I didn’t like that Trump said the worst may be yet to come the other day. Sounds like Florida, California, and Arizona May continue their surge in deaths. Hopefully cone November the answer to the question “ are you better off than you were 4 years ago ?” Is Yes!!
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Post by Foggy on Jul 22, 2020 10:03:01 GMT -6
I think a lot depends on when Moderna , Pfizer and others pass the next test phase. If they start producing a vaccine in September then that should dampen the push for mail In ballots. People want to get past this hurdle and get back to normal. I didn’t like that Trump said the worst may be yet to come the other day. Sounds like Florida, California, and Arizona May continue their surge in deaths. Hopefully cone November the answer to the question “ are you better off than you were 4 years ago ?” Is Yes!! Phizer announced this morning that they are producing 100 MILLION covid vaccines to be available in December! 0 cost to the consumer....paid for by Govt. They must be pretty sure it will work?? EDIT: Another 1/2 Biiiion douses in the pipeline??? Yowsir!
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Post by smsmith on Jul 22, 2020 10:09:40 GMT -6
I think a lot depends on when Moderna , Pfizer and others pass the next test phase. If they start producing a vaccine in September then that should dampen the push for mail In ballots. People want to get past this hurdle and get back to normal. I didn’t like that Trump said the worst may be yet to come the other day. Sounds like Florida, California, and Arizona May continue their surge in deaths. Hopefully cone November the answer to the question “ are you better off than you were 4 years ago ?” Is Yes!! Phizer announced this morning that they are producing 100 MILLION covid vaccines to be available in December! 0 cost to the consumer....paid for by Govt. They must be pretty sure it will work?? EDIT: Another 1/2 Biiiion douses in the pipeline??? Yowsir! Will a covid vaccine be the next "mask"? e.g... If you can't prove you've had the vaccine, you can't board a plane, enter private or government buildings, go to public school if you're a kid, etc. etc. etc. I can see it happening in the world that is being created right now
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Post by Foggy on Jul 22, 2020 10:45:14 GMT -6
Phizer announced this morning that they are producing 100 MILLION covid vaccines to be available in December! 0 cost to the consumer....paid for by Govt. They must be pretty sure it will work?? EDIT: Another 1/2 Biiiion douses in the pipeline??? Yowsir! Will a covid vaccine be the next "mask"? e.g... If you can't prove you've had the vaccine, you can't board a plane, enter private or government buildings, go to public school if you're a kid, etc. etc. etc. I can see it happening in the world that is being created right now Seems that is the slippery slope we are on.
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Post by Catscratch on Jul 22, 2020 11:20:18 GMT -6
Phizer announced this morning that they are producing 100 MILLION covid vaccines to be available in December! 0 cost to the consumer....paid for by Govt. They must be pretty sure it will work?? EDIT: Another 1/2 Biiiion douses in the pipeline??? Yowsir! Will a covid vaccine be the next "mask"? e.g... If you can't prove you've had the vaccine, you can't board a plane, enter private or government buildings, go to public school if you're a kid, etc. etc. etc. I can see it happening in the world that is being created right now Wouldn't surprise me if it was mandated. Already several required vaccinations by most states to enter public school. I think it's a state controlled thing, not federal. Not certain on that though. Tin foil hat time; I highly doubt a vaccine is going to be very effective. This family of virus tends to mutate somewhat quickly. The more people it bounces around in the more chances it will have to change. I think a vaccine will have a similar success rate as the flu vaccine. It's not a nice little stable particle like smallpox or ebola and not as easy to deal with. Trump wins... the vaccine is reported ineffective (but instead of it being ineffective due to the nature of the system, it's due somehow to Trump's words), testing and reporting for Covid19 stays the same, and we're back to it's all his fault per the media. Biden wins... the hospitals are instructed to test for influenza FIRST (with any patience who have a cough and fever). They will only test for covid if flu test is negative AND the patient is hospitalized. This will be rationalized with the claim of a particularity severe flu strain this season. They will also decide that the tests are not accurate singularly, they will only count new cases be reported with a positive swab test correlated with a positive antibody test. Virus mostly goes away by March and media gives new administration credit. There's my tin hat predictions. Have fun!
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Post by smsmith on Jul 22, 2020 13:32:25 GMT -6
Will a covid vaccine be the next "mask"? e.g... If you can't prove you've had the vaccine, you can't board a plane, enter private or government buildings, go to public school if you're a kid, etc. etc. etc. I can see it happening in the world that is being created right now Wouldn't surprise me if it was mandated. Already several required vaccinations by most states to enter public school. I think it's a state controlled thing, not federal. Not certain on that though. Tin foil hat time; I highly doubt a vaccine is going to be very effective. This family of virus tends to mutate somewhat quickly. The more people it bounces around in the more chances it will have to change. I think a vaccine will have a similar success rate as the flu vaccine. It's not a nice little stable particle like smallpox or ebola and not as easy to deal with. Trump wins... the vaccine is reported ineffective (but instead of it being ineffective due to the nature of the system, it's due somehow to Trump's words), testing and reporting for Covid19 stays the same, and we're back to it's all his fault per the media. Biden wins... the hospitals are instructed to test for influenza FIRST (with any patience who have a cough and fever). They will only test for covid if flu test is negative AND the patient is hospitalized. This will be rationalized with the claim of a particularity severe flu strain this season. They will also decide that the tests are not accurate singularly, they will only count new cases be reported with a positive swab test correlated with a positive antibody test. Virus mostly goes away by March and media gives new administration credit. There's my tin hat predictions. Have fun! The real tin foil hatters out there are saying the vaccine will include a microchip for "tracking" purposes
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jul 22, 2020 13:42:02 GMT -6
I am so sick of our Governor, now the mask is mandated in any indoor facility...not at my office!
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Post by batman on Jul 22, 2020 13:59:46 GMT -6
Guys like me won’t shop anything local with a mask ordinance. More fuel for the decay of rural america
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Post by badgerfowl on Jul 22, 2020 14:29:34 GMT -6
I am so sick of our Governor, now the mask is mandated in any indoor facility...not at my office! Dane County (or Nazi Germany as I like to call it) has went to a mask mandate. I'm not wearing one at work inside our office. So far, the Gestapo hasn't come calling. People are sick of this shit.
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Post by kooch on Jul 22, 2020 14:48:58 GMT -6
Wearing a mask doesn't bother me at all. I guess I'm a commie.
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Post by badgerfowl on Jul 22, 2020 15:01:09 GMT -6
I don't like how I feel with a mask on.
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Post by mnfish on Jul 22, 2020 15:02:28 GMT -6
I am from the med tech industry and have lots of contacts in pharma development.....NO FUCKING WAY would I allow this "vaccine" be allowed to be administered into me or anybody I care about. No history, marginal science, and political pressure! Combination for disaster
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Post by daydreamer on Jul 22, 2020 15:37:06 GMT -6
I am from the med tech industry and have lots of contacts in pharma development.....NO FUCKING WAY would I allow this "vaccine" be allowed to be administered into me or anybody I care about. No history, marginal science, and political pressure! Combination for disaster Yikes, that’s scary.
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Post by chummer16 on Jul 22, 2020 16:48:33 GMT -6
Wearing a mask doesn't bother me at all. I guess I'm a commie. #metoo we have been mandatory masks inside since April. Probably the only think I agree with Cuomo on, mainly because he didn’t extend it outside. It is a pain but you get used to it for the few minutes a day you wear it. It seems to be working because our county is down to virtually 0 cases other than the occasional nursing home case. Now that Trump said wear it will probably go away.
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