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Post by batman on Aug 6, 2020 6:42:00 GMT -6
U of MN study identified 4 guys who plant mungbeans and flax in on mounds of buried sticks in Minnesota. 4 guys is the market.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 6, 2020 6:52:08 GMT -6
Think about the guys that don't have a farm store anywhere near them, nothing along their drive path from home to camp, or nothing that is open when they're able to drive through. There's a mix out there of guys that have easy access to about anything, and others that are limited to one store that carries almost nothing helpful. Would there be any demand at all for access to seeds the other guys have, if it could be had for a much smaller premium vs shipping individual bags at 2-3 times the seed cost in shipping? I wondering about a logistical model that would create a hub in an area to group strangers orders together, and take advantage of pallet rates as their orders are pooled together. There's one pallet going in late winter/early spring and you should order your seed for the season. If the pallet doesn't reach threshhold for shipping by the cutoff date, all orders on that pallet are cancelled and money returned. If it hits threshhold, the pallet ships to someone who will facilitate the distribution (ace hardware, feed store, seed dealer, gun shop, bait shop, Pequot QDMA etc). Whomever distributes it gets a cut, the logistics guy gets a cut, the customer keeps the rest. Would there be interest in it? I'm wondering if/when an entrepreneur will build a logistics business to simply connect people like that. No buck on bag, no fancy claims on secret seeds, no outlandish premiums, just logistics. Think girl scout cookies, but for plot seed. I think you just described a Co-op. Ooh! A virtual co-op, with no location.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 6, 2020 7:00:26 GMT -6
If there's no location, how do I pick up my seed?
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 6, 2020 7:07:03 GMT -6
The Green Cover guys sell cover crop corn and cover crop beans for crazy cheap prices. It's not meant for pods or high yields or being able to spray, but rather just grazing and covering. If I could get my hands on that stuff reasonably close to those prices, I'd be planting it every year. I also chuckle at the rest of the prices I can get the cereals for in Brookings. I bought a pile of those cereals because they were cheap and exactly what I wanted. It's been fun cause I got to try a bunch of stuff for essentially nothing.
The barley idea proved to work very well this year, and I've got some tweaking to do next year, but I plan to throw an even higher rate of barley next spring, and plan to mix some oats in with it too. If that stuff was $50/bag because of shipping, I'd have never done it. But at $14/bag, a guy can try all kinds of stuff for little more than an extended evening at the bar.
I had a talk with the farm supply guy in Remer a couple days ago and asked him if he carried any cleaned cereal seed, cause I may need to do a second seeding if the birds got my first. He only had feed oats. I asked him if he ever considered stocking some foodplot seed, and he was just sour about the prospect of having to sit on it. I couldn't help but wonder if the guy wouldn't be a hub for a pallet and do the work for a few bucks and the opportunity to get 5-10 new customers through the door that otherwise may have never stopped, while never having to put out cash for the product.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 6, 2020 7:18:20 GMT -6
If there's no location, how do I pick up my seed? Customers or admin create their own hub. Someone finds or becomes a hub (someone with skid steer, forklife, or loading dock) and creates it in the system. Then accumulate orders. If it hits shipping threshhold in time, the pallet ships, everyone has 16 days to go pick up their seed and the deal is over for the year or season. You don't pick it up in time, the hub guy keeps it and resells it. Hub owner puts up a sign/sends a text/participants share via word of mouth: Food plot seed available (this stuff at these prices) Must order by X date at ButtonBuckCoop.com (choose the Kooch Hub) Must pick up here by X date Order will be cancelled and fully refunded if hub doesn't meet shipping threshhold
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Post by Foggy on Aug 6, 2020 7:33:17 GMT -6
If there's no location, how do I pick up my seed? Customers or admin create their own hub. Someone finds or becomes a hub (someone with skid steer, forklife, or loading dock) and creates it in the system. Then accumulate orders. If it hits shipping threshhold in time, the pallet ships, everyone has 16 days to go pick up their seed and the deal is over for the year or season. You don't pick it up in time, the hub guy keeps it and resells it. Hub owner puts up a sign/sends a text/participants share via word of mouth: Food plot seed available (this stuff at these prices) Must order by X date at ButtonBuckCoop.com (choose the Kooch Hub) Must pick up here by X date Order will be cancelled and fully refunded if hub doesn't meet shipping threshhold Better sleep on it. Good luck. . Edit: Alternately.....you could give an order to MO each winter.......and make one trip to visit him on your way to your camp. You'd have everything you need in one-stop shopping. (If he is not down in OZ or MO). FORE!
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 6, 2020 8:03:08 GMT -6
The Green Cover guys sell cover crop corn and cover crop beans for crazy cheap prices. It's not meant for pods or high yields or being able to spray, but rather just grazing and covering. If I could get my hands on that stuff reasonably close to those prices, I'd be planting it every year. I also chuckle at the rest of the prices I can get the cereals for in Brookings. I bought a pile of those cereals because they were cheap and exactly what I wanted. It's been fun cause I got to try a bunch of stuff for essentially nothing. The barley idea proved to work very well this year, and I've got some tweaking to do next year, but I plan to throw an even higher rate of barley next spring, and plan to mix some oats in with it too. If that stuff was $50/bag because of shipping, I'd have never done it. But at $14/bag, a guy can try all kinds of stuff for little more than an extended evening at the bar. I had a talk with the farm supply guy in Remer a couple days ago and asked him if he carried any cleaned cereal seed, cause I may need to do a second seeding if the birds got my first. He only had feed oats. I asked him if he ever considered stocking some foodplot seed, and he was just sour about the prospect of having to sit on it. I couldn't help but wonder if the guy wouldn't be a hub for a pallet and do the work for a few bucks and the opportunity to get 5-10 new customers through the door that otherwise may have never stopped, while never having to put out cash for the product. i am changing the direction of the thread, but now I know what to call my reseeding of patches in a failed foodplot. Cover crop corn and beans with some old sorghum thrown in. Quite a difference between where I Resprayed and didn’t. Not sure which is better.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 6, 2020 8:06:51 GMT -6
I’ve ordered online from Deer Creek with their free shipping deal. Their seed isn’t cheap when buying in 5 lb. increments though. Middleton coop is not cheap either. Anything else besides Mauston coop between Madison and new Lisbon? I hate paying $30 for winter rye from Middleton coop. I used to get some stuff here....for whatever reason I can't hyperlink to Hohl's Farm supply. Just Google Hohl's farm supply on hwy. 33 Most of my chemicals I got from the Landmark co-op in Cottage Grove. Buying in 5 lb. increments isn't what's being discussed here though...right? I thought we were talking about 50 lb. bags? edit...the last few years I was down there I got my winter rye and oats from an organic farmer in the Cottage Grove area. He'd post a listing on Craigslist sometime in August. The 5 lbs is only what offered the free shipping. That and 25 lb. 50 lb bags didn't qualify. I guess that's relevant. Hence my questions. Basically what SD is getting at. Winter rye from Welter is nicely priced but add in $18/bag shipping and its worse than the $30 from Middleton coop. If this damn pandemic didn't shut down in person pickup, Deer Creek would be a better option for WR for me.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 6, 2020 8:16:31 GMT -6
If there's no location, how do I pick up my seed? Customers or admin create their own hub. Someone finds or becomes a hub (someone with skid steer, forklife, or loading dock) and creates it in the system. Then accumulate orders. If it hits shipping threshhold in time, the pallet ships, everyone has 16 days to go pick up their seed and the deal is over for the year or season. You don't pick it up in time, the hub guy keeps it and resells it. Hub owner puts up a sign/sends a text/participants share via word of mouth: Food plot seed available (this stuff at these prices) Must order by X date at ButtonBuckCoop.com (choose the Kooch Hub) Must pick up here by X date Order will be cancelled and fully refunded if hub doesn't meet shipping threshhold Okay. Seems like filling a need that doesn't exist around here, but perhaps up north there'd be enough guys to be interested.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 6, 2020 8:39:17 GMT -6
Customers or admin create their own hub. Someone finds or becomes a hub (someone with skid steer, forklife, or loading dock) and creates it in the system. Then accumulate orders. If it hits shipping threshhold in time, the pallet ships, everyone has 16 days to go pick up their seed and the deal is over for the year or season. You don't pick it up in time, the hub guy keeps it and resells it. Hub owner puts up a sign/sends a text/participants share via word of mouth: Food plot seed available (this stuff at these prices) Must order by X date at ButtonBuckCoop.com (choose the Kooch Hub) Must pick up here by X date Order will be cancelled and fully refunded if hub doesn't meet shipping threshhold Okay. Seems like filling a need that doesn't exist around here, but perhaps up north there'd be enough guys to be interested. Exactly. As I read around the forums, it's more common that not, where guys cannot get their hands on the seed they want without shoveling out a 200% shipping premium, or a 250% premium because there's a buck on the bag (oats). The whole concept has nothing to do with competing with anyone. It has everything to do with meeting a need (if it exists) of the un-served and under-served. In a perfect world, thing concept would go, get popular, and then get pushed out of the market as local guys realize they can do this without the middle man. But somebody has to make the market first. I just wish I could get all the sh*t I needed in Remer instead of having to do all the damn running around, calling, and storing.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 6, 2020 8:41:48 GMT -6
Customers or admin create their own hub. Someone finds or becomes a hub (someone with skid steer, forklife, or loading dock) and creates it in the system. Then accumulate orders. If it hits shipping threshhold in time, the pallet ships, everyone has 16 days to go pick up their seed and the deal is over for the year or season. You don't pick it up in time, the hub guy keeps it and resells it. Hub owner puts up a sign/sends a text/participants share via word of mouth: Food plot seed available (this stuff at these prices) Must order by X date at ButtonBuckCoop.com (choose the Kooch Hub) Must pick up here by X date Order will be cancelled and fully refunded if hub doesn't meet shipping threshhold Better sleep on it. Good luck. . Edit: Alternately.....you could give an order to MO each winter.......and make one trip to visit him on your way to your camp. You'd have everything you need in one-stop shopping. (If he is not down in OZ or MO). FORE! This ain't about me. I can get almost everything I want already (except those cover crop beans/corn). This is for the Wisconsin guys, the Michigan guys, Carl, Reagan, and anyone else out there that has to look at pics from Catscratch and wonder if they'll ever be able to plant that fancy ass wheat without having to refi the house.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 6, 2020 8:45:23 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I'd guess that well over 95% of all foodplotters have little to no interest in "unusual" foodplot seeds.
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Post by biglakebass on Aug 6, 2020 8:48:59 GMT -6
Thats definitely me. Its either winter rye or clover for me now. maybe brassicas here and there.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 6, 2020 10:58:52 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I'd guess that well over 95% of all foodplotters have little to no interest in "unusual" foodplot seeds. Fact!
Most food plotters want a place on the way about 8pm friday night or 6-7am sat morning that has most everything and a guy that has done it that will give them a little advice so they can have some success.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 6, 2020 11:14:12 GMT -6
I plant brassicas every year. Sometimes it's been a $20 BoB mix, others it's my own mix from Welters or the local coop. All have been successful. Have never had any issue getting brassicas. Welter's has the variety (if one wants it), I pretty much stick to DER, PTT, and GHR if I'm doing my own mix. For clovers, I've stayed away from BoB because they are terrible on price although years ago I planted a few and they work just fine too but there's too much non seed in them when you look at the seed tag. Again, Welter's has had what I've wanted and I was able to take advantage of their half shipping (50 lbs) the two times we've replanted our 5 acre field.
The rest I've planted has been WR, BFO's, and AWP's. Not sure how unusual any of them have been. I might try buckwheat next year, but I saw a 50 lb bag at the local coop (can't remember the price). But I doubt it's something I'll plant on a yearly basis.
I might fart around with some sunflowers, pumpkins, and something else next year but I won't need 50 lbs of it.
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