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Post by sd51555 on Aug 5, 2020 18:06:21 GMT -6
For you guys that have to pay hefty shipping to get 50 lb bags sent to you for things like rye, oats, wheat, beans, sunflower, buckwheat etc...
If you could get that stuff at farm country prices +$5 (instead of +$25) and have it shipped somewhere within a reasonable driving distance, would you buy it?
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Post by Freeborn on Aug 5, 2020 18:33:42 GMT -6
I would but I use few unique seeds. Corn and Beans is like Peanut Butter and Jelly, it works.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2020 18:44:34 GMT -6
Just make a day trip to MO's place and save your money. Or.....buy local and still beat your deal.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 5, 2020 18:52:12 GMT -6
Most anything I could ever want is either available at one of the local co-ops within a reasonable drive, or they can order it for me. A person would need to be well out of driving range of any co-op type store to make it worthwhile I'd think
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Post by kooch on Aug 5, 2020 19:17:28 GMT -6
I wish this thread wasn't about fancy seeds. This is bait and switch.
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Post by Reagan on Aug 5, 2020 20:21:10 GMT -6
I voted yes. I’d pay $5 extra. But my need for rare seeds ended when I quit planting buckwheat. Now I plant wheat or rye, clovers and brassica. I now have two somewhat local sources for everything.
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Post by Coda1 on Aug 5, 2020 21:45:40 GMT -6
I voted yes but the only thing I need in 50# bags I can't get in town is certified oats. MO is only 55-60 miles from me so it would have to be a lot closer then that or cheaper then what I pay in town.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 5, 2020 23:15:29 GMT -6
Think about the guys that don't have a farm store anywhere near them, nothing along their drive path from home to camp, or nothing that is open when they're able to drive through. There's a mix out there of guys that have easy access to about anything, and others that are limited to one store that carries almost nothing helpful.
Would there be any demand at all for access to seeds the other guys have, if it could be had for a much smaller premium vs shipping individual bags at 2-3 times the seed cost in shipping? I wondering about a logistical model that would create a hub in an area to group strangers orders together, and take advantage of pallet rates as their orders are pooled together.
There's one pallet going in late winter/early spring and you should order your seed for the season. If the pallet doesn't reach threshhold for shipping by the cutoff date, all orders on that pallet are cancelled and money returned. If it hits threshhold, the pallet ships to someone who will facilitate the distribution (ace hardware, feed store, seed dealer, gun shop, bait shop, Pequot QDMA etc). Whomever distributes it gets a cut, the logistics guy gets a cut, the customer keeps the rest.
Would there be interest in it? I'm wondering if/when an entrepreneur will build a logistics business to simply connect people like that. No buck on bag, no fancy claims on secret seeds, no outlandish premiums, just logistics. Think girl scout cookies, but for plot seed.
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Post by Tooln on Aug 6, 2020 5:57:57 GMT -6
If it's something that I can't source locally or within a reasonable drive. But mostly if it's something I really really wanted/needed and had no other source.
Supply and demand drives the price on everything in life.
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 6, 2020 6:03:38 GMT -6
Think about the guys that don't have a farm store anywhere near them, nothing along their drive path from home to camp, or nothing that is open when they're able to drive through. There's a mix out there of guys that have easy access to about anything, and others that are limited to one store that carries almost nothing helpful. Would there be any demand at all for access to seeds the other guys have, if it could be had for a much smaller premium vs shipping individual bags at 2-3 times the seed cost in shipping? I wondering about a logistical model that would create a hub in an area to group strangers orders together, and take advantage of pallet rates as their orders are pooled together. There's one pallet going in late winter/early spring and you should order your seed for the season. If the pallet doesn't reach threshhold for shipping by the cutoff date, all orders on that pallet are cancelled and money returned. If it hits threshhold, the pallet ships to someone who will facilitate the distribution (ace hardware, feed store, seed dealer, gun shop, bait shop, Pequot QDMA etc). Whomever distributes it gets a cut, the logistics guy gets a cut, the customer keeps the rest. Would there be interest in it? I'm wondering if/when an entrepreneur will build a logistics business to simply connect people like that. No buck on bag, no fancy claims on secret seeds, no outlandish premiums, just logistics. Think girl scout cookies, but for plot seed. Would you be better off to just buy John’s business and alter or expand the model just a bit?
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Post by smsmith on Aug 6, 2020 6:15:57 GMT -6
Even when I lived north of Madison, WI I could source most anything I wanted locally...or along the way between where I lived and where my folks lived. Deer Creek Seed was located about a mile from my old place. Several co-ops existed in the 75 minute drive. Several co-ops existed within a 30 minute drive from their old place. I think most guys in the Great Lakes States and midwest have access to co-ops. Not sure about down south or the northeast.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 6, 2020 6:17:55 GMT -6
Think about the guys that don't have a farm store anywhere near them, nothing along their drive path from home to camp, or nothing that is open when they're able to drive through. There's a mix out there of guys that have easy access to about anything, and others that are limited to one store that carries almost nothing helpful. Would there be any demand at all for access to seeds the other guys have, if it could be had for a much smaller premium vs shipping individual bags at 2-3 times the seed cost in shipping? I wondering about a logistical model that would create a hub in an area to group strangers orders together, and take advantage of pallet rates as their orders are pooled together. There's one pallet going in late winter/early spring and you should order your seed for the season. If the pallet doesn't reach threshhold for shipping by the cutoff date, all orders on that pallet are cancelled and money returned. If it hits threshhold, the pallet ships to someone who will facilitate the distribution (ace hardware, feed store, seed dealer, gun shop, bait shop, Pequot QDMA etc). Whomever distributes it gets a cut, the logistics guy gets a cut, the customer keeps the rest. Would there be interest in it? I'm wondering if/when an entrepreneur will build a logistics business to simply connect people like that. No buck on bag, no fancy claims on secret seeds, no outlandish premiums, just logistics. Think girl scout cookies, but for plot seed. Would you be better off to just buy John’s business and alter or expand the model just a bit? It's not really the same concept. And just to be clear, this isn't something i have any desire to do. I'm just spitballing ideas here. This concept is about reaching specifically the guys that don't have any other options because there isn't a farm economy in their region.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 6, 2020 6:20:17 GMT -6
Even when I lived north of Madison, WI I could source most anything I wanted locally...or along the way between where I lived and where my folks lived. Deer Creek Seed was located about a mile from my old place. Several co-ops existed in the 75 minute drive. Several co-ops existed within a 30 minute drive from their old place. I think most guys in the Great Lakes States and midwest have access to co-ops. Not sure about down south or the northeast. I’ve ordered online from Deer Creek with their free shipping deal. Their seed isn’t cheap when buying in 5 lb. increments though. Middleton coop is not cheap either. Anything else besides Mauston coop between Madison and new Lisbon? I hate paying $30 for winter rye from Middleton coop.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 6, 2020 6:24:18 GMT -6
Even when I lived north of Madison, WI I could source most anything I wanted locally...or along the way between where I lived and where my folks lived. Deer Creek Seed was located about a mile from my old place. Several co-ops existed in the 75 minute drive. Several co-ops existed within a 30 minute drive from their old place. I think most guys in the Great Lakes States and midwest have access to co-ops. Not sure about down south or the northeast. I’ve ordered online from Deer Creek with their free shipping deal. Their seed isn’t cheap when buying in 5 lb. increments though. Middleton coop is not cheap either. Anything else besides Mauston coop between Madison and new Lisbon? I hate paying $30 for winter rye from Middleton coop. I used to get some stuff here....for whatever reason I can't hyperlink to Hohl's Farm supply. Just Google Hohl's farm supply on hwy. 33 Most of my chemicals I got from the Landmark co-op in Cottage Grove. Buying in 5 lb. increments isn't what's being discussed here though...right? I thought we were talking about 50 lb. bags? edit...the last few years I was down there I got my winter rye and oats from an organic farmer in the Cottage Grove area. He'd post a listing on Craigslist sometime in August.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 6, 2020 6:34:08 GMT -6
Think about the guys that don't have a farm store anywhere near them, nothing along their drive path from home to camp, or nothing that is open when they're able to drive through. There's a mix out there of guys that have easy access to about anything, and others that are limited to one store that carries almost nothing helpful. Would there be any demand at all for access to seeds the other guys have, if it could be had for a much smaller premium vs shipping individual bags at 2-3 times the seed cost in shipping? I wondering about a logistical model that would create a hub in an area to group strangers orders together, and take advantage of pallet rates as their orders are pooled together. There's one pallet going in late winter/early spring and you should order your seed for the season. If the pallet doesn't reach threshhold for shipping by the cutoff date, all orders on that pallet are cancelled and money returned. If it hits threshhold, the pallet ships to someone who will facilitate the distribution (ace hardware, feed store, seed dealer, gun shop, bait shop, Pequot QDMA etc). Whomever distributes it gets a cut, the logistics guy gets a cut, the customer keeps the rest. Would there be interest in it? I'm wondering if/when an entrepreneur will build a logistics business to simply connect people like that. No buck on bag, no fancy claims on secret seeds, no outlandish premiums, just logistics. Think girl scout cookies, but for plot seed. I think you just described a Co-op.
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