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Post by smsmith on May 13, 2021 7:37:54 GMT -6
I'd guess high organic matter in those wetland soils has something to do with that frost seeding success. I haven't looked at my low ground plot where I put down some collards for awhile. Maybe there's some popping out there now.
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Post by sd51555 on May 13, 2021 8:50:35 GMT -6
I'd guess high organic matter in those wetland soils has something to do with that frost seeding success. I haven't looked at my low ground plot where I put down some collards for awhile. Maybe there's some popping out there now. Knowing what I know now, I'm going to keep trying to get this going in my clover. I might not spread it into 3" of snow again, but I bet with a good clover/straw thatch layer, and some ground that stays up outta the flood plain, I can get this up in early spring. It's just going to be one more year before I get to try again. Given how finicky it's been for everyone that's tried it, I think all the right things need to happen with timing, thatch, moisture, and fertility.
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Post by smsmith on May 13, 2021 10:29:00 GMT -6
Checked my low ground plot a bit ago. Zero collards. My guess is they don't stand a chance in an established clover plot...at least they don't here.
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Post by Reagan on May 13, 2021 12:51:26 GMT -6
I’ve spread radish and ptt the last two years in my best clover plot. I find a few plants but not enough to make it worthwhile.
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Post by Foggy on May 13, 2021 17:14:56 GMT -6
I’ve spread radish and ptt the last two years in my best clover plot. I find a few plants but not enough to make it worthwhile. Thats where I wonder if you were to have a grain drill....if that would provide some results? Somebody needs to develop a cheap 5 foot grain drill for pulling behind a 4 wheeler. It would not be that hard or expensive to do such a thing. About 8 double disk openers with a means to drop some seeds at a desired rate followed with a couple wheels to close the trench.....no big deal. I wish I was a younger man......I think I could design and build this. EDIT: No till drills take WEIGHT. Hint if anyone wants to do such a thing.....use a large hollow tube mounted over your double disk openers and use water for ballast. Easy / Peasy / affordable. Steel would cost $$$$....where water is "free".
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Post by Foggy on May 13, 2021 17:19:02 GMT -6
^. The same could be done for a cheap cultipacker. Use cross linked hollow plastic packer wheels.....and fill them with cement (furnished by the buyer). The packer "wheels" could be blow molded kinda like a 2 liter soda jug...ontly thicker. Cheap wheels to ship anywhere via UPS. Kinda like how cheap barbells are mede. Where are the entrepreneurs in this world???
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Post by smsmith on May 13, 2021 18:20:59 GMT -6
^. The same could be done for a cheap cultipacker. Use cross linked hollow plastic packer wheels.....and fill them with cement (furnished by the buyer). The packer "wheels" could be blow molded kinda like a 2 liter soda jug...ontly thicker. Cheap wheels to ship anywhere via UPS. Kinda like how cheap barbells are mede. Where are the entrepreneurs in this world??? Sounds similar to a Packer Maxx. As far as drilling brassica seeds into clover plots, I'm about 90% sure that would work. Especially if you hit the clover with a dose of gly first. Burn down the weeds, suppress the clover, and give the brassicas a chance to get ahead of the clover. I think the issue I'm dealing with is that a good clover plot has many, many stolons in the upper few inches of soil. Pretty tough for any other seed to get started by just broadcasting.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on May 13, 2021 19:40:48 GMT -6
^. The same could be done for a cheap cultipacker. Use cross linked hollow plastic packer wheels.....and fill them with cement (furnished by the buyer). The packer "wheels" could be blow molded kinda like a 2 liter soda jug...ontly thicker. Cheap wheels to ship anywhere via UPS. Kinda like how cheap barbells are mede. Where are the entrepreneurs in this world??? Sounds similar to a Packer Maxx. As far as drilling brassica seeds into clover plots, I'm about 90% sure that would work. Especially if you hit the clover with a dose of gly first. Burn down the weeds, suppress the clover, and give the brassicas a chance to get ahead of the clover. I think the issue I'm dealing with is that a good clover plot has many, many stolons in the upper few inches of soil. Pretty tough for any other seed to get started by just broadcasting. Did brassicas into clover all the time. No drill. Just spray the clover illegally with half rate of glyphosate to kill the grasses then broadcast 5lbs per acre of seed and wait for rain. Works great.
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Post by smsmith on May 13, 2021 20:06:15 GMT -6
Sounds similar to a Packer Maxx. As far as drilling brassica seeds into clover plots, I'm about 90% sure that would work. Especially if you hit the clover with a dose of gly first. Burn down the weeds, suppress the clover, and give the brassicas a chance to get ahead of the clover. I think the issue I'm dealing with is that a good clover plot has many, many stolons in the upper few inches of soil. Pretty tough for any other seed to get started by just broadcasting. Did brassicas into clover all the time. No drill. Just spray the clover illegally with half rate of glyphosate to kill the grasses then broadcast 5lbs per acre of seed and wait for rain. Works great. It has never worked for me. Maybe a few straggler brassicas here and there
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Post by MoBuckChaser on May 13, 2021 20:08:05 GMT -6
Did brassicas into clover all the time. No drill. Just spray the clover illegally with half rate of glyphosate to kill the grasses then broadcast 5lbs per acre of seed and wait for rain. Works great. It has never worked for me. Maybe a few straggler brassicas here and there I have the pictures to prove it. 😉
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Post by smsmith on May 16, 2021 18:08:41 GMT -6
Well, I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. Pulling weeds yesterday and took a pic. In spots where the clover winter killed, the collards are popping. Not a great pic.
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Post by Foggy on May 16, 2021 18:57:45 GMT -6
^ That us a thought......to drive thru your clover plot(s) with a tiller and till some little "mini" plots.....then seed 'em with brassica to get them started. Could work for pumpkins too?
I'm gonna see if my JD 71 planter, with some real small seed plates (I have some for vegetable seeds), will get some of that collard and PTT into my established clover. I think the double disk openers on the planter will penetrate the sandy soil.....if the seed will fall thru.....I could be golden. It may take me a few passes.....but I could do what a double disk drill does....it the seed rate is right. May not be ideal....but would sure be nice to get some fall crops established into my clover. May try some soybeans and radish. too. I'm quite certain the openers will form a 1.25" deep seed trench and it will drop some seeds on 30" rows.....the packer should close it....or rain will finish the job.
^^. Anybody try this..... or hear of it done?
EDIT: I am guessing that the small seed plates will allow one radish seed at a time to feed and drop thru. Not sure what rate to set it......but I will try for a slow spacing. Pics to follow.
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Post by Foggy on May 16, 2021 19:46:03 GMT -6
^^. Hmmm. Now my wheels are spinning. Check this video on planting into clover.
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Post by Foggy on May 16, 2021 20:56:12 GMT -6
working on cover crops and using my JD 71 planter to plant into such things as my clover plot. I think I am on the right path if the will work. Here is a good video by Bartella on the whole shooting match.
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Post by mnfish on May 16, 2021 21:20:52 GMT -6
We are about to see how they hold up to browsing pressure. The deer at my place already figured them's is good greens
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