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Post by smsmith on May 8, 2021 5:45:01 GMT -6
Covering small seed with flailed/mowed rye straw should work even on sandy soil. I'm not sure about soybean seed, but it might work.
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Post by Foggy on May 8, 2021 9:00:44 GMT -6
Covering small seed with flailed/mowed rye straw should work even on sandy soil. I'm not sure about soybean seed, but it might work. Yep, I can see that it might work......but then why not just plant the collards and beans in the first place ? ......and cover with dirt.
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Post by sd51555 on May 8, 2021 10:11:09 GMT -6
Covering small seed with flailed/mowed rye straw should work even on sandy soil. I'm not sure about soybean seed, but it might work. Yep, I can see that it might work......but then why not just plant the collards and beans in the first place ? ......and cover with dirt. Naked sand is a frying pan.
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Post by Sandbur on May 8, 2021 12:10:29 GMT -6
Covering small seed with flailed/mowed rye straw should work even on sandy soil. I'm not sure about soybean seed, but it might work. Yep, I can see that it might work......but then why not just plant the collards and beans in the first place ? ......and cover with dirt. Some plant them in early, early spring and they flood or freeze out. Others plant them like real farmers ! I am like you, foggy. I have tried enough short cuts. I think you might just as well till and plant. I have had a few successes with broadcast seed, but many failures on the light soils.
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Post by smsmith on May 8, 2021 12:15:35 GMT -6
Covering small seed with flailed/mowed rye straw should work even on sandy soil. I'm not sure about soybean seed, but it might work. Yep, I can see that it might work......but then why not just plant the collards and beans in the first place ? ......and cover with dirt. The reason to go with the rye would be to build your soil. Rye adds a huge amount of organic matter, both above and below ground. If you just want a foodplot and aren't inclined to build your soil...then just planting the seed and covering with dirt works.
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Post by Foggy on May 8, 2021 13:06:00 GMT -6
Yep, I can see that it might work......but then why not just plant the collards and beans in the first place ? ......and cover with dirt. The reason to go with the rye would be to build your soil. Rye adds a huge amount of organic matter, both above and below ground. If you just want a foodplot and aren't inclined to build your soil...then just planting the seed and covering with dirt works. Yep....you and SD are both right..... and I may do a bit of each to compare this year. My soils do need to be built up. My efforts to plant stuff without tillage have never fared well for me. Maybe broadcasting the seed before cutting down the rye and then cultipacking after cutting would work. My Herd seeder will sling seed pretty well over the rye....I think. Last year I could not find any Rye seed locally. The feed store at Pine River would not get any for me.....said they had to buy too much. Anyone know of a rye source nearby?
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Post by smsmith on May 8, 2021 13:10:07 GMT -6
The reason to go with the rye would be to build your soil. Rye adds a huge amount of organic matter, both above and below ground. If you just want a foodplot and aren't inclined to build your soil...then just planting the seed and covering with dirt works. Yep....you and SD are both right.....and I may do a bit of each to compare this year. My soils do need to be built up. My efforts to plant stuff without tillage have never fared well for me. Maybe broadcasting the seed before cutting down the rye and then cultipacking after cutting would work. Last year I could not find any Rye seed locally. The feed store at Pine River would not get any for me.....said they had to buy too much. Anyone know of a rye source nearby? There's nothing wrong with planting stuff the "regular" way. You aren't farming, just growing some food for deer. The co-op in Eagle Bend used to sell bin run field rye for cheap. That isn't all that close to you though I guess. I've ordered certified winter rye from the co-op in L.P. before. It wasn't cheap, but they did get it in for me.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on May 8, 2021 13:12:39 GMT -6
Yep....you and SD are both right.....and I may do a bit of each to compare this year. My soils do need to be built up. My efforts to plant stuff without tillage have never fared well for me. Maybe broadcasting the seed before cutting down the rye and then cultipacking after cutting would work. Last year I could not find any Rye seed locally. The feed store at Pine River would not get any for me.....said they had to buy too much. Anyone know of a rye source nearby? There's nothing wrong with planting stuff the "regular" way. You aren't farming, just growing some food for deer. The co-op in Eagle Bend used to sell bin run field rye for cheap. That isn't all that close to you though I guess. I've ordered certified winter rye from the co-op in L.P. before. It wasn't cheap, but they did get it in for me. You don’t necessarily need certified WR. But you better make sure they clean it on more then a fanning mill. Unless you want weeds you ain’t never seen before.
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Post by Foggy on May 8, 2021 15:34:29 GMT -6
^. I agree with buying clean seed. I have some water hemp issues.....and feel certain that it came along with some seeds I bought......even tho I've never bought bin-run seeds.
Here's an interesting article on reducing waterhemp with a rye cover crop. Kinda what were talking about here.
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Post by sd51555 on May 12, 2021 10:52:49 GMT -6
Second test plot complete. Collards and a blend of white clovers planted. Again high and low ground Hold the phone Darrel! We got a winner! This 3/24 planting of collards took and is looking great! (Not mine, MNFish’s)
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Post by benmnwi on May 12, 2021 11:15:27 GMT -6
That's some nice black dirt.
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Post by sd51555 on May 12, 2021 11:29:24 GMT -6
That's some nice black dirt. What's even cooler, is they took a nut busting 48 hour hard freeze a week after getting flown on and sailed right through it. This was from my land tour thread back when I was even doubting it.
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Post by mnfish on May 12, 2021 19:36:39 GMT -6
That wetland soil rocked the germination frost seeding everywhere else was a bust. Not sure why. Anxious to see the growth rate and browse pressure tolerance
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Post by benmnwi on May 12, 2021 21:03:19 GMT -6
That wetland soil rocked the germination frost seeding everywhere else was a bust. Not sure why. Anxious to see the growth rate and browse pressure tolerance The organic matter in that wetland soil was probably extremely high and gave the seeds a fighting chance. I moved some bog soil to a sandy spot and it was crazy how much plot growth improved. Swamp soil is good stuff.
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Post by Sandbur on May 13, 2021 4:21:45 GMT -6
That wetland soil rocked the germination frost seeding everywhere else was a bust. Not sure why. Anxious to see the growth rate and browse pressure tolerance The organic matter in that wetland soil was probably extremely high and gave the seeds a fighting chance. I moved some big soil to a sandy spot and it was crazy how much plot growth improved. Swamp soil is good stuff. My best ground, for corn and for apple trees, is along the seam between reed canary and too wet, and higher/ drier ground.
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