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Post by smsmith on Dec 30, 2020 7:40:44 GMT -6
I would think in a big woods environment like NH's, BFT would see some use. Alsike, BFT, medium red, white dutch...all worth trying. So is chicory. Chicory doesn't need a high ph. That hillside gets a lot of sun and heat due to being south facing and maybe the angle? I was cutting in a long sleeve T-shirt yesterday in 19 degree temperatures and was sweating all day. I got to the top of the ridge and the wind was howling and got cold. I think the chicory would be great if I can get it established. I’m guessing those oaks are going to grow fast now and will block out a lot of the sun in 3 years but, it should get use in those years. I don't know about BFT, but white dutch and alsike both will do "ok" under high shade from oaks. Chicory probably would for at least a few years too. I've got very nice ladino/white dutch/New Zealand white growing in some pretty heavy shade (not maple shade, nothing grows there except other maples)
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Post by smsmith on Dec 30, 2020 11:42:20 GMT -6
Delar small burnet may be worth a shot too. It survived (but didn't thrive) on the sands of central WI when I planted it there. Anything that can grow in that sand would likely do better with your soil Carl. I don't know how well it would frost seed as it is bigger seed than clover or chicory.
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Post by mnfish on Dec 31, 2020 17:41:38 GMT -6
Can frost seeding be done with brasicas? I am wanting to plant at least 1 acre of this seed this season. Its about 175,000 seeds/ lbs
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 31, 2020 18:29:23 GMT -6
Delar small burnet may be worth a shot too. It survived (but didn't thrive) on the sands of central WI when I planted it there. Anything that can grow in that sand would likely do better with your soil Carl. I don't know how well it would frost seed as it is bigger seed than clover or chicory. Thanks Stu That sounds interesting. I’ll try some on that hillside and in a few plots. Do you think it would germinate in a throw and hope situation if I put it down before our spring rains?
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 31, 2020 18:33:58 GMT -6
Can frost seeding be done with brasicas? I am wanting to plant at least 1 acre of this seed this season. Its about 175,000 seeds/ lbs Brassica seeds are small enough that they would frost seed but, I’m wondering if they germinate early and then get hit by a late spring frost?
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 31, 2020 19:01:56 GMT -6
Can frost seeding be done with brasicas? I am wanting to plant at least 1 acre of this seed this season. Its about 175,000 seeds/ lbs One time I had good luck with turnip seed that broadcasted when the top one- two inches of soil had thawed and frost was underneath. This was a springtime planting. The top few inches was just like mud.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 31, 2020 22:46:41 GMT -6
Delar small burnet may be worth a shot too. It survived (but didn't thrive) on the sands of central WI when I planted it there. Anything that can grow in that sand would likely do better with your soil Carl. I don't know how well it would frost seed as it is bigger seed than clover or chicory. Thanks Stu That sounds interesting. I’ll try some on that hillside and in a few plots. Do you think it would germinate in a throw and hope situation if I put it down before our spring rains? Some seed probably would, a bunch probably wouldn't.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 31, 2020 22:58:57 GMT -6
Can frost seeding be done with brasicas? I am wanting to plant at least 1 acre of this seed this season. Its about 175,000 seeds/ lbs Brassica seeds are small enough that they would frost seed but, I’m wondering if they germinate early and then get hit by a late spring frost? Forage collards need to get down to 5 degrees F to cold kill. 40 degrees to germinate. I plan to throw seed soon as the lows stay above 15. If it don't work, it's $20. If it does, it could be big with some savvy management.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 10, 2021 19:54:48 GMT -6
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 10, 2021 19:57:29 GMT -6
He uses a mix of sweet berseem, crimson, and Persian clovers, alfalfa, lentils, and chicory.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 11, 2021 5:04:55 GMT -6
I have read something’s about dormant seeding in the fall, just before the last permanent snowfall.
I was wondering if that would work with turnip seed on very light soil.
SD, have you tried this on your wetter ground?
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 11, 2021 7:43:35 GMT -6
I have read something’s about dormant seeding in the fall, just before the last permanent snowfall. I was wondering if that would work with turnip seed on very light soil. SD, have you tried this on your wetter ground? No. I tried for three years to get wheat and rye to survive that spring ponding, and it never could. That's what lead to the barley breakthrough. That also lead to my conversion to all clover/chicory as the backbone of my plot program.
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Post by daydreamer on Mar 11, 2021 8:02:21 GMT -6
Why doesn't frost seed rot out? Never could quite get my mind around that one?
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 11, 2021 8:24:33 GMT -6
I have read something’s about dormant seeding in the fall, just before the last permanent snowfall. I was wondering if that would work with turnip seed on very light soil. SD, have you tried this on your wetter ground? No. I tried for three years to get wheat and rye to survive that spring ponding, and it never could. That's what lead to the barley breakthrough. That also lead to my conversion to all clover/chicory as the backbone of my plot program. Background of your plot program with all of the grains that you ordered?
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Post by badgerfowl on Mar 11, 2021 9:27:54 GMT -6
No. I tried for three years to get wheat and rye to survive that spring ponding, and it never could. That's what lead to the barley breakthrough. That also lead to my conversion to all clover/chicory as the backbone of my plot program. Background of your plot program with all of the grains that you ordered? One of the backbones at least.
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