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Post by smsmith on Mar 11, 2021 9:30:54 GMT -6
I have read something’s about dormant seeding in the fall, just before the last permanent snowfall. I was wondering if that would work with turnip seed on very light soil. SD, have you tried this on your wetter ground? No idea if it would work with turnip, but I'd guess it would. A late fall/early winter seeding onto prepped soil is one of the recommended ways of establishing a wildflower plot. That's what I did here. Worked pretty good. Many of those wildflowers were annuals, so it should (might) work with brassicas. Light soil may make a difference though.
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Post by Bob on Mar 11, 2021 10:12:35 GMT -6
Why doesn't frost seed rot out? Never could quite get my mind around that one? Resistance to germination. This is why I have so much fun with this. It can't ever be too cold. It can get too warm and then get too cold, but that's a huge jump. Natural seeds have mechanisms that enable them to survive adverse conditions and then activate when conditions are right. Thistle seed can stay viable below ground for 50 years. Jackpine seeds won't be released from a cone without fire. Dogwood seeds won't germinate unless they sit on the ground over a winter. Some seeds need to pass through the gut of a critter to breakdown the protective coat. This is also why half your white clover seed doesn't sprout the first year, and also why clover comes up everywhere. Some seeds won't germinate until the iron and glyphosate clear the deck. When everything dies, a whole new set of bacteria and organic acids take over and trigger the worst of the worst (or the healing plants, depending on how you look at it) weed seeds to germinate. It also kills your natural fertility cycle and then requires you to become the fertility Biden. This is why we don't till or spray. It's broken window biology. Warm season grasses must be planted in warm soil, like corn, millets, sorghums. Yet, my millet guy has volunteer japanese millet pop up all over his place. That's when I started asking questions. I hear farmers drilling their oats on frozen ground so they can get across the field early without making compaction. What if it gets to zero? Will those oats die? They can't die if they haven't germinated. If you're wondering how tough oats and barley are when it comes to resisting rotting, put a small pinch in your cheek and see just how protective that seed jacket is. Then throw some soybeans in your mouth and see how tough they are. Make sure they aren't blue, purple, green, or pink though, or you'll start nodulating. #Fiber
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Post by smsmith on Mar 18, 2021 13:23:13 GMT -6
Frostseeded a few plots today. Added a bit of forage collards along with the chicory and Clover King mix. We'll see what happens.
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Post by badgerfowl on Mar 18, 2021 13:47:27 GMT -6
Frostseeded a few plots today. Added a bit of forage collards along with the chicory and Clover King mix. We'll see what happens. Sorry if I missed it somewhere, what's in the clover king mix? I'm debating whether to frost some white clovers to an area I put down medium red last weekend. I'm kind of wanting to turn it into a perennial clover plot but like the idea of late season brassicas for food more than clover. I need to add some more plots this year.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 18, 2021 13:57:23 GMT -6
Frostseeded a few plots today. Added a bit of forage collards along with the chicory and Clover King mix. We'll see what happens. Sorry if I missed it somewhere, what's in the clover king mix?I'm debating whether to frost some white clovers to an area I put down medium red last weekend. I'm kind of wanting to turn it into a perennial clover plot but like the idea of late season brassicas for food more than clover. I need to add some more plots this year. New Zealand white, Ladino, and vernal alfalfa.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 18, 2021 16:25:29 GMT -6
I ordered a bag of this spring blend from Green Cover Seed. Kentucky Pride Crimson Clover, Alfalfa, Common Vetch, Faba Beans, Chickpeas, Lavina Beardless Spring Barley, Surge Beardless Spring Triticale, Trophy Rapeseed, Golden Flax, Super Bee Phacelia, Baldy Spineless Safflower greencoverseed.com/woo-seed/spring-release/I’m not sure if I’ll get it in time for frost seeding or whether the seed would be good to frost seed so I’ll probably spread it on my brassica plots and hope for the best. Or should I wait until I can open up my trails and get an atv in there to drag it up before spreading?
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 18, 2021 16:58:34 GMT -6
I ordered a bag of this spring blend from Green Cover Seed. Kentucky Pride Crimson Clover, Alfalfa, Common Vetch, Faba Beans, Chickpeas, Lavina Beardless Spring Barley, Surge Beardless Spring Triticale, Trophy Rapeseed, Golden Flax, Super Bee Phacelia, Baldy Spineless Safflower greencoverseed.com/woo-seed/spring-release/I’m not sure if I’ll get it in time for frost seeding or whether the seed would be good to frost seed so I’ll probably spread it on my brassica plots and hope for the best. Or should I wait until I can open up my trails and get an atv in there to drag it up before spreading? I suspect the beans and peas would do better if they were covered with a bit of soil.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 18, 2021 18:16:45 GMT -6
I ordered a bag of this spring blend from Green Cover Seed. Kentucky Pride Crimson Clover, Alfalfa, Common Vetch, Faba Beans, Chickpeas, Lavina Beardless Spring Barley, Surge Beardless Spring Triticale, Trophy Rapeseed, Golden Flax, Super Bee Phacelia, Baldy Spineless Safflower greencoverseed.com/woo-seed/spring-release/I’m not sure if I’ll get it in time for frost seeding or whether the seed would be good to frost seed so I’ll probably spread it on my brassica plots and hope for the best. Or should I wait until I can open up my trails and get an atv in there to drag it up before spreading? I suspect the beans and peas would do better if they were covered with a bit of soil. Yeah I was thinking that maybe my spring would be wet enough to get them to germinate. I had luck with mung beans in the past with toss and hope.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 28, 2021 21:54:01 GMT -6
So I was thinking of heading north Tuesday and spreading dead on bare spots on my plots. We’re due for 1.5” rain on Wednesday and Thursday but, then it’ll drop to 19 by Friday. What are the odds of the seed germinating and getting damaged by the cold on Friday?? I was hoping the rain would pound the heavier seed into the ground and the cold help seat it but, 19 is cold.
I was going to spread a spring mixture from Green Cover seed along with lentils, barley and clover.
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Post by Bob on Mar 29, 2021 5:33:56 GMT -6
So I was thinking of heading north Tuesday and spreading dead on bare spots on my plots. We’re due for 1.5” rain on Wednesday and Thursday but, then it’ll drop to 19 by Friday. What are the odds of the seed germinating and getting damaged by the cold on Friday?? I was hoping the rain would pound the heavier seed into the ground and the cold help seat it but, 19 is cold. I was going to spread a spring mixture from Green Cover seed along with lentils, barley and clover. I might not try it with the hard to get stuff just yet.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 1, 2021 10:04:09 GMT -6
Helped the neighbor frostseed about 2 acres of multiple clovers, chicory, vernal alfalfa, and forage collards this morning. This may be the last morning with a good hard frost for quite awhile.
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