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Post by sd51555 on Mar 12, 2021 14:26:39 GMT -6
Poor, that's relative to the times. I bet your not poor compared to your parents or grandparents. Times and expectations change. I think it would be good for the country to get a better understanding of what our parents/grandparents and ancestors went through. Every time I see pictures of settlers living in SOD houses built into hillsides I just shake my head. I can't imagine what winter was like back in those days. Free Money, only a politician would be motivated to do such a thing. I don't know, I think the peak of wealth happened right before the federal reserve. Lots of stuff has been blurred by advances in technology, but ultimately, I think we're all poorer. Look at the things that haven't really advanced in any meaningful way via technology like land, homes, transportation, and food. Most people cannot afford any of those things now. Back in the day, you needed to, or you'd starve, or you'd have to get to whorin. Now, a plot of land, a home, a family, steak, a means of conveyance, and a barn. Not without millions.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 12, 2021 15:01:40 GMT -6
My great grandparents immigrated to MN USA during the homestead act in the mid 1800's. The first winter they lived in a dugout shelter of some sort.....then built a house and a barn the following years. Much of that material was home sawed lumber and neighborhood work crews that helped each other build. With 160 acres....much of that was pasture land and swamp......so they had milk cows and chickens.....and did some trapping. In the winter made wood for the next season. Usually a few neighbors worked together on these projects. Lots of bartering. Not much for money. On those acres, I think they may have had 10 to 20 acres of row-crops and a large garden. All hand work or horse drawn. Lots of hunting and trapping for food. I think egg money and milk was the primary means of getting some spending money. Not much money around. Nearly everyone kept a book like this.....as there was so little money....you had to keep track of who owed who what. I have my Grandpa's farm ledger for the years 1925 through 1933. It's all in one book.....and all written in pencil. It lists who owed who for work and money and sales of cows and pigs and shopping lists and prices paid. Mostly they bought flour, sugar, overalls, chore gloves, shoelaces and tobacco....and kerosene for their lamps. Not much for discretionary spending. I've written before: that when someone would ask about another man's ability to pay or repay for work.....the term was said: "He's OK in my book". (and now you know the rest of the story.).
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Post by buckvelvet on Mar 12, 2021 15:04:57 GMT -6
This guy is getting $7k, after the chit I was dragged through, I'll laugh all the way to the bank.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 12, 2021 16:26:10 GMT -6
My great grandparents immigrated to MN USA during the homestead act in the mid 1800's. The first winter they lived in a dugout shelter of some sort.....then built a house and a barn the following years. Much of that material was home sawed lumber and neighborhood work crews that helped each other build. With 160 acres....much of that was pasture land and swamp......so they had milk cows and chickens.....and did some trapping. In the winter made wood for the next season. Usually a few neighbors worked together on these projects. Lots of bartering. Not much for money. On those acres, I think they may have had 10 to 20 acres of row-crops and a large garden. All hand work or horse drawn. Lots of hunting and trapping for food. I think egg money and milk was the primary means of getting some spending money. Not much money around. Nearly everyone kept a book like this.....as there was so little money....you had to keep track of who owed who what. I have my Grandpa's farm ledger for the years 1925 through 1933. It's all in one book.....and all written in pencil. It lists who owed who for work and money and sales of cows and pigs and shopping lists and prices paid. Mostly they bought flour, sugar, overalls, chore gloves, shoelaces and tobacco....and kerosene for their lamps. Not much for discretionary spending. I've written before: that when someone would ask about another man's ability to pay or repay for work.....the term was said: "He's OK in my book". (and now you know the rest of the story.). I was going to respond to Freeborns post as comparing people who lived through the Depression. My Dad said their farm income might be $300 per year. They had venison, pork, eggs, milk, and the garden to live on and they felt rich as compared to relatives in the twin cities. And fish. Dad dug skunks out of old dens, skinned them, and sold the hides for $3. I am not sure if this was pre or during the Depression.
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Post by jflonll on Mar 12, 2021 16:43:39 GMT -6
Thanks to no RMD $2800
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 12, 2021 17:06:49 GMT -6
My great grandparents immigrated to MN USA during the homestead act in the mid 1800's. The first winter they lived in a dugout shelter of some sort.....then built a house and a barn the following years. Much of that material was home sawed lumber and neighborhood work crews that helped each other build. With 160 acres....much of that was pasture land and swamp......so they had milk cows and chickens.....and did some trapping. In the winter made wood for the next season. Usually a few neighbors worked together on these projects. Lots of bartering. Not much for money. On those acres, I think they may have had 10 to 20 acres of row-crops and a large garden. All hand work or horse drawn. Lots of hunting and trapping for food. I think egg money and milk was the primary means of getting some spending money. Not much money around. Nearly everyone kept a book like this.....as there was so little money....you had to keep track of who owed who what. I have my Grandpa's farm ledger for the years 1925 through 1933. It's all in one book.....and all written in pencil. It lists who owed who for work and money and sales of cows and pigs and shopping lists and prices paid. Mostly they bought flour, sugar, overalls, chore gloves, shoelaces and tobacco....and kerosene for their lamps. Not much for discretionary spending. I've written before: that when someone would ask about another man's ability to pay or repay for work.....the term was said: "He's OK in my book". (and now you know the rest of the story.). I was going to respond to Freeborns post as comparing people who lived through the Depression. My Dad said their farm income might be $300 per year. They had venison, pork, eggs, milk, and the garden to live on and they felt rich as compared to relatives in the twin cities. And fish. Dad dug skunks out of old dens, skinned them, and sold the hides for $3. I am not sure if this was pre or during the Depression. Who wouldn’t give their third nipple for that today? Praise science for the advancements, but I’d love to live like that. We’d have the barley market cornered.
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Post by badbrad on Mar 12, 2021 17:19:03 GMT -6
NO idea. If a check shows up then I'll know.
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Post by kooch on Mar 12, 2021 18:44:21 GMT -6
I was going to respond to Freeborns post as comparing people who lived through the Depression. My Dad said their farm income might be $300 per year. They had venison, pork, eggs, milk, and the garden to live on and they felt rich as compared to relatives in the twin cities. And fish. Dad dug skunks out of old dens, skinned them, and sold the hides for $3. I am not sure if this was pre or during the Depression. Who wouldn’t give their third nipple for that today? Praise science for the advancements, but I’d love to live like that. We’d have the barley market cornered. You pretty much could Chris. It wouldn't be exactly the same, with modern expenses like the medical insurance for when your Hep-C or herpes act up. But, if you want to buy a few acres and go live in a sod hut, there's not much stopping you. I think some people assume it'd be romantic and fun. I have my days when I think I should build an A-Frame cabin in that new plot on my paid off 80 acres of swamp, move in and just poop in a hole the rest of my life. Then when I'm confronted with the reality of it, our Netflix and Hulu Plus win the day.
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 12, 2021 19:06:34 GMT -6
Who wouldn’t give their third nipple for that today? Praise science for the advancements, but I’d love to live like that. We’d have the barley market cornered. You pretty much could Chris. It wouldn't be exactly the same, with modern expenses like the medical insurance for when your Hep-C or herpes act up. But, if you want to buy a few acres and go live in a sod hut, there's not much stopping you. I think some people assume it'd be romantic and fun. I have my days when I think I should build an A-Frame cabin in that new plot on my paid off 80 acres of swamp, move in and just poop in a hole the rest of my life. Then when I'm confronted with the reality of it, our Netflix and Hulu Plus win the day. The communities and local markets aren’t there anymore. I will say though, once Elon brings Skynet online, we’ll be able to watch Ow My Balls from any blind at camp.
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Post by Coda1 on Mar 12, 2021 22:20:11 GMT -6
I'll get $1400 but all this printed money will likely devalue my savings more then that.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 13, 2021 7:51:26 GMT -6
Who wouldn’t give their third nipple for that today? Praise science for the advancements, but I’d love to live like that. We’d have the barley market cornered. You pretty much could Chris. It wouldn't be exactly the same, with modern expenses like the medical insurance for when your Hep-C or herpes act up. But, if you want to buy a few acres and go live in a sod hut, there's not much stopping you. I think some people assume it'd be romantic and fun. I have my days when I think I should build an A-Frame cabin in that new plot on my paid off 80 acres of swamp, move in and just poop in a hole the rest of my life. Then when I'm confronted with the reality of it, our Netflix and Hulu Plus win the day. There are shitloads of Amish just a few miles west and north of me who live very much how Art's folks lived. I certainly don't look at their existence with jealousy. When you see clothes on the line and it's -20 a bunch of the romanticism goes away
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Post by Foggy on Mar 13, 2021 7:57:33 GMT -6
You pretty much could Chris. It wouldn't be exactly the same, with modern expenses like the medical insurance for when your Hep-C or herpes act up. But, if you want to buy a few acres and go live in a sod hut, there's not much stopping you. I think some people assume it'd be romantic and fun. I have my days when I think I should build an A-Frame cabin in that new plot on my paid off 80 acres of swamp, move in and just poop in a hole the rest of my life. Then when I'm confronted with the reality of it, our Netflix and Hulu Plus win the day. There are shitloads of Amish just a few miles west and north of me who live very much how Art's folks lived. I certainly don't look at their existence with jealousy. When you see clothes on the line and it's -20 a bunch of the romanticism goes away Yep.....I bet after you skinned about 20 skunks.....the thrill wears off. .
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 13, 2021 8:24:39 GMT -6
There are shitloads of Amish just a few miles west and north of me who live very much how Art's folks lived. I certainly don't look at their existence with jealousy. When you see clothes on the line and it's -20 a bunch of the romanticism goes away Yep.....I bet after you skinned about 20 skunks.....the thrill wears off. . Dad said that Grandma made him hang his clothes outside. He also cut bur oak and made ax handles that he sold for $.10 at a hardware / general store.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 13, 2021 8:37:11 GMT -6
My dad was born in 1921, so he grew up on the farm during the depression. After an 8th grade education, he bought an old Ford Truck (I think his was a 35 Ford) and started hauling pigs and cattle to the Livestock Market in South St Paul...about a 200 mile round trip. Mostly hauled for the neighborhood near Lafayette MN. He says he sat on a Montgomery Ward Cattalog to reach the peddles. A few years of that made him decide to sell implements instead of haul stuff. I still have his chauffeurs pin which was like a License for commercial truck driving back in the day. My dad was always looking for an easier and faster way to do things......and I suppose I learnt that trait. . He was likely the best salesman by most anyones measure. Seriously....quite an operator.. If you came to his shop, he was gonna get your money. He could be a little high pressure.....but did it with a pretty good style. The customer would try to negotiate a lower price and he would get into an auctioneer chant.....or some other such stuff. A real circus act sometimes.......I used to say Barnum and Baileys had no edge on his bullschit. . Drove Pink Cadillacs and wore huge Stetson Hats and suits with western jewelry.....bolo tie....and cufflinks the whole deal. Quite a show. He died when I was 18 and he was 45. Most said he lived three lifetimes in those years. He was a "top ten" ford tractor dealer back in the early 50's. Likely sold 1000's of those little N fords.
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Post by smallchunk on Mar 13, 2021 10:32:51 GMT -6
Poor teacher here Wasn't there a post earlier about lawn mowers? I need to dig and find that one!
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