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Post by smsmith on Dec 2, 2022 14:44:11 GMT -6
I had planned to order zero scions for next spring. So much for that...I just ordered Red Cinnamon, Clark's Crab, and Apple Pear cross scions from 39th Parallel. I'll probably order a few from Maple Valley and Big Horse Creek when they open for orders too.
It's a sickness
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Post by smsmith on Dec 4, 2022 20:08:00 GMT -6
If you are on FB, check out the bareroot trees on Maple Valley Orchards page.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 11, 2022 19:59:10 GMT -6
Maple Valley Orchards now taking orders for next year, FYI
I ordered Wodarz, Hudson's Golden Gem, Munson's Sweet, and Malinda from them.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 16, 2022 13:02:38 GMT -6
Pretty sure nobody gives a shit, but if anybody does - the Temperate Orchard Conservancy is accepting scion requests. I contacted them and was told to use the forms on their website from last year. Same price as last year also.
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 17, 2022 8:06:04 GMT -6
I had planned to order zero scions for next spring. So much for that...I just ordered Red Cinnamon, Clark's Crab, and Apple Pear cross scions from 39th Parallel. I'll probably order a few from Maple Valley and Big Horse Creek when they open for orders too. It's a sickness I really should graft some rootstock this year so I’m a year ahead whenever I get my land cut and some orchard areas cleared. I’m hesitant to use the B118. They grow well and then some snap off at the Union and others has just plain died. I may go with the M111 which is what the old grafter in Maine swore by. I know I’ll never use Geneva again. I’ll see what the forester says this week about my ideas and make a decision.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 17, 2022 19:55:00 GMT -6
I'm done with B118 too. I haven't had any graft union issues, but they sure do like to lean.
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Post by benmnwi on Dec 17, 2022 20:19:23 GMT -6
B118 trees seem to start fast here, but they seem to slow down over time. Relative to red splendor seedling and Antonovka rootstock anyway.
I grafted 25 B118’s several years ago hoping for quicker fruiting trees, but have been a little disappointed in that regard.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 18, 2022 5:46:49 GMT -6
B118 trees seem to start fast here, but they seem to slow down over time. Relative to red splendor seedling and Antonovka rootstock anyway. I grafted 25 B118’s several years ago hoping for quicker fruiting trees, but have been a little disappointed in that regard. How do red splendor rootstocks compare to Anty or dolgo seedlings for final size of the trees?
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 18, 2022 5:47:24 GMT -6
B118 trees seem to start fast here, but they seem to slow down over time. Relative to red splendor seedling and Antonovka rootstock anyway. I grafted 25 B118’s several years ago hoping for quicker fruiting trees, but have been a little disappointed in that regard. How do red splendor rootstocks compare to Anty or dolgo seedlings for final size of the trees? . I think Lee used some red splendor many years back.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 18, 2022 9:28:19 GMT -6
I've wondered about Red Splendor mature size too. I'm guessing that most of the planted flowering crabs I see around here are R.S. seedlings from the SWCD/DNR. Some are quite large, probably 20' or so. Others maybe 12-15'. I imagine a person could expect most of those seedlings to produce standard or near standard sized trees when grafted. Of course, the variety being grafted also plays a role.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 18, 2022 11:21:56 GMT -6
I've wondered about Red Splendor mature size too. I'm guessing that most of the planted flowering crabs I see around here are R.S. seedlings from the SWCD/DNR. Some are quite large, probably 20' or so. Others maybe 12-15'. I imagine a person could expect most of those seedlings to produce standard or near standard sized trees when grafted. Of course, the variety being grafted also plays a role. My first wildlife crabs from the local SWCD were baccata., Manchurian.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 18, 2022 11:29:36 GMT -6
I had planned to order zero scions for next spring. So much for that...I just ordered Red Cinnamon, Clark's Crab, and Apple Pear cross scions from 39th Parallel. I'll probably order a few from Maple Valley and Big Horse Creek when they open for orders too. It's a sickness I really should graft some rootstock this year so I’m a year ahead whenever I get my land cut and some orchard areas cleared. I’m hesitant to use the B118. They grow well and then some snap off at the Union and others has just plain died. I may go with the M111 which is what the old grafter in Maine swore by. I know I’ll never use Geneva again. I’ll see what the forester says this week about my ideas and make a decision. If you want any scions from the varieties I've got, just let me know.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 18, 2022 11:34:21 GMT -6
FYI Benton County, Mn. Foley pickup. i was messaging one of the smaller nursery guys this morning and he is not impressed with B118 either. Anty is available and I brought up the red splendor seedlings. Most if not all suppliers of red splendor seedlings specify they are not to be resold. I suspect Baileys is tying up the dolgo seedling market. Not sure about red splendor. Those Manchurian crabs might also be a decent root stock. I don’t know about compatibility issues.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 18, 2022 11:38:56 GMT -6
I have used these products from Benton County as well. For lighter soils, I just put a tiny amount of the moisture crystals in the hole and mix in the dirt. Usually a bit of pel lime, also. i also use those crystals when transplanting spruce to lighter soils. I add water after planting until the whole hole is soupy. Gently pack with my foot. Let it settle. Add dirt and water again.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 18, 2022 11:43:39 GMT -6
FYI Benton County, Mn. Foley pickup. i was messaging one of the smaller nursery guys this morning and he is not impressed with B118 either. Anty is available and I brought up the red splendor seedlings. Most if not all suppliers of red splendor seedlings specify they are not to be resold. I suspect Baileys is tying up the dolgo seedling market. Not sure about red splendor. Those Manchurian crabs might also be a decent root stock. I don’t know about compatibility issues. Even an apple on standard rootstock would be considered a small tree, at least in comparison to those mentioned as being tall. I think Manchurian is kind of a "catch all" name for baccata and ranetka. Both would be great for most all grafted crab varieties. There are reported graft union issues with some apple varieties on baccata. At $3.50 each, the wild apple plugs from U of Idaho are pretty tough to beat for rootstocks. They may need a year of growing before grafting though. Mine from last year are 5' or better except for 2, those are better than 4'.
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