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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 29, 2023 6:23:37 GMT -6
Outdoor News MN: A MN DNR study on fawn survival in the farm regions of Minnesota. GPS collars. 82 were collared, 44 died. 34 were killed by coyotes… 4 were health related, 3 killed by vehicle, 3 by hunters. I knew it was a problem, but that is worse than I thought…Insane numbers ! Not good ! If anyone wants to post the article feel free. Always thought that 50% mortality for fawns was natural and normal, and this is pretty darn close. Sure I'd like to see more of the fawns killed by humans than by coyotes, but the overall numbers don't look insane at all, they look almost perfectly ok imo.
Not that there is anything wrong with shooting coyotes, or turkeys.
If you look at where the study was done, farm country, not high deer population areas… it’s a concern in my opinion. I had no idea coyotes were killing that many young deer . This winter could make the situation much worse!
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Post by smsmith on Mar 29, 2023 6:39:02 GMT -6
When I built here I figured I could shoot coyotes/foxes off the back patio. I've got a heck of a view.
Coyotes seen from the house since 2012? 1 Foxes seen from the house since 2012? 3-5
I hadn't planned on shooting bobcats, but I've seen more of them from the house than any other predator. Most of those sightings were over the course of 2 years though. We haven't seen one from the house now for a number of years.
I imagine if I sat outside with night vision optics I'd see more coyotes, but I don't see predators being a major factor on fawn/deer mortality in my immediate area.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 29, 2023 7:09:41 GMT -6
I see very few coyotes @ my Parkers Prairie farm. Rare . Not sure if the Wolves, Bears and Bobcats keep them away ?
No issue with coyotes up there. In Pope & Swift County it’s a different story . I think they like grass, sloughs, pasture, creek bottoms, tree lines, fence lines … more open country.
I mean they are everywhere, but it’s worse if you have ag and pasture! Iowa is overrun, insane numbers.
Hopefully guys keep killing them, and maybe a disease hits em.
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Post by kooch on Mar 29, 2023 7:20:37 GMT -6
In a year living here, I've only heard them howling / yipping once. But, the guys that hunt them stack them up.
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Post by biglakebass on Mar 29, 2023 7:42:16 GMT -6
Kooch....I am confident you have the money for a thermal.... Treat yourself! I think your like me to a degree,,,, its time in life to buy shit cuz we can. Hell yea. Right??? I quit my job in the middle of a house build. I ain’t buying shit but a house. When that’s done, I’ll reconsider. Owe!!!!
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Post by Catscratch on Mar 29, 2023 8:39:40 GMT -6
Always considered deer a base species in the food chain. Doesn't shock me at all to see a 50% mortality rate. If numbers were dropping I would be concerned and looking for a way to relieve some pressure on them. We hear 3-4 groups sounding off nightly. Really gets the turkeys gobbling! I shoot 1-2 a yr from the house. Trap 3-4 a winter around the house. Pic from a couple of weeks ago. 3 eating mineral about 100yds from the front door. That's too comfortable around the house. They'll be pursued.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 29, 2023 10:11:03 GMT -6
When I built here I figured I could shoot coyotes/foxes off the back patio. I've got a heck of a view. Coyotes seen from the house since 2012? 1 Foxes seen from the house since 2012? 3-5 I hadn't planned on shooting bobcats, but I've seen more of them from the house than any other predator. Most of those sightings were over the course of 2 years though. We haven't seen one from the house now for a number of years. I imagine if I sat outside with night vision optics I'd see more coyotes, but I don't see predators being a major factor on fawn/deer mortality in my immediate area. I suspect there is a cycle to the Bobcat population and it might be linked to a fisher cycle. Coyotes probably cycle as well if totally not hunted and in natural environment. Bwoods, coyotes move out if wolves move in.
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Post by benmnwi on Mar 29, 2023 11:55:22 GMT -6
I have a pic with a fawn leg in a coyotes mouth. Fuckers. Glad our neighbor is laying them down(coyotes) left and right. A few years back I arrowed this coyote on my Rusk County property. It had a deer's spinal column in its mouth when it walked by my stand.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 29, 2023 14:19:23 GMT -6
If Wolves push out coyotes, that could help explain the crazy deer numbers in certain counties that have wolves (but not a large population).
Todd, Douglas, Otter Tail to name a few …
Obviously habitat is the key, but limited fawn mortality might be a factor. I’ve always noticed high numbers of fawns on my Parkers Prairie farm .
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Post by terrifictom on Mar 29, 2023 15:06:01 GMT -6
I forget where but I illingsaw a study that said killing coyotes in an area will only bring more coyotes into area. The reason being that coyotes control their own numbers. Put a hole in their system and more coyotes move into area and the more pups they have.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 29, 2023 15:44:42 GMT -6
I forget where but I illingsaw a study that said killing coyotes in an area will only bring more coyotes into area. The reason being that coyotes control their own numbers. Put a hole in their system and more coyotes move into area and the more pups they have. I have heard that as well. Coyote hunters with dogs hit my area hard. We have broken up habitat and I suspect that doesn’t apply here as so much of the area is hunted with dogs, There are also a few wolves that don’t seem to hang around for long.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 29, 2023 16:19:56 GMT -6
I forget where but I illingsaw a study that said killing coyotes in an area will only bring more coyotes into area. The reason being that coyotes control their own numbers. Put a hole in their system and more coyotes move into area and the more pups they have. I’ve seen both arguments. The coyote hunters argument is if you have 40 coyotes in the area and you take out 20 there will be 20 less killing fawns in the spring? Will they have more pups… maybe, but pups don’t kill fawns. The key to that argument would be to consistently taking out coyotes every year and across a wide area.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 29, 2023 18:37:57 GMT -6
When I built here I figured I could shoot coyotes/foxes off the back patio. I've got a heck of a view. Coyotes seen from the house since 2012? 1 Foxes seen from the house since 2012? 3-5 I hadn't planned on shooting bobcats, but I've seen more of them from the house than any other predator. Most of those sightings were over the course of 2 years though. We haven't seen one from the house now for a number of years. I imagine if I sat outside with night vision optics I'd see more coyotes, but I don't see predators being a major factor on fawn/deer mortality in my immediate area. Too funny, I post about seeing bobcats from the house...and then I see a bobcat from the house. Just watched the largest tom we've ever seen walk across the marsh behind the house and head to the bigger swamp along the lake. I couldn't get the binocs on him soon enough to get a good look. The wife did get a look and said maybe it's a lynx. No idea if a lynx would be this far south, but my first thought when I saw it was "that's a fuckin' mountain lion". I did see that his tail was short, so that's not an option. At any rate...there's still cats around
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Post by benmnwi on Mar 29, 2023 18:48:19 GMT -6
I always thought it would be cool to have a tanned bobcat hide along with the other fur bearers in mn and wi.
I think trapping would be the way to get a good hide unless you used a small caliber rifle. The coyotes I’ve shot with a .243 had a pretty large exit wound.
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Post by terrifictom on Mar 29, 2023 19:15:40 GMT -6
I always thought it would be cool to have a tanned bobcat hide along with the other fur bearers in mn and wi. I think trapping would be the way to get a good hide unless you used a small caliber rifle. The coyotes I’ve shot with a .243 had a pretty large exit wound. Use buckshot on bobcat. Doesn't tear up the hide.
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