windgypsy
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Location: Kanabec, Wright, and Itasca Counties, MN
Zone: 4A / 3B
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Post by windgypsy on Sept 28, 2023 12:59:47 GMT -6
Like I said before, total harvest will be the same with or without crossbows. The only thing that will change is that there will be less deer killed in rifle and more during archery. Those deer that get killed by crossbows would have gotten shot during rifle season. It's just a shift. Nothing more. Maybe it is close to that simple in your case but I disagree that it is on a statewide basis. That's like saying if we didn't have an archery season at all every buck killed in archery season would just get killed in rifle season. It's not a foregone conclusion that any given buck is either going to get killed before or during gun season or it wont on any given year. There are lots of party hunters that aren't just going to not go hunt the gun season with the boys/family because they already shot a buck with a crossbow.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 28, 2023 13:20:47 GMT -6
Which seasons take out older age bucks in my County/Area? Kind of a odd mix. The gun season obviously gets its share. Archery , I don’t see many big big bucks shot, maybe 3-4 a year. However, In the late season I definitely see some good bucks get shot during Muzzy! My county is mixed agricultural, sloughs, swamp, river bottoms, woods, CRP. The big ones that survive tend to get shot during Muzzy in my county.
I think nowadays with cameras, blinds—guys know where they are, put in the time, and they are vulnerable when it gets cold and snowy ! Long season, lots of pressure. Very difficult to have nice head gear and survive in my area. The ones that do , they have a special 6th sense, and more than likely a very nasty sanctuary!
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Post by caveman on Sept 28, 2023 13:28:55 GMT -6
Late season this year might be a bit different with crossbows. Hunters have to dress light in order to be able to pull the bow back. Dressing light during late season results in fewer hours in stand. Crossbows this year could surpass the muzzy harvest during late season.
Next year doe permits for archers and December 1st season close.
The. sky. is. falling.
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windgypsy
Full Member
Posts: 126
Likes: 162
Location: Kanabec, Wright, and Itasca Counties, MN
Zone: 4A / 3B
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Post by windgypsy on Sept 28, 2023 14:00:46 GMT -6
Small chance parts of zone 1 has reduction in opportunity in part due to xbow legislation. No chance in hell in the rest of the state. They'll just reduce doe harvest opportunity if anything.
Also, i archery hunt just fine in full on marshmallow man suit in late season. What's this having to dress light stuff?
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Post by smsmith on Sept 28, 2023 14:10:56 GMT -6
Like I said before, total harvest will be the same with or without crossbows. The only thing that will change is that there will be less deer killed in rifle and more during archery. Those deer that get killed by crossbows would have gotten shot during rifle season. It's just a shift. Nothing more. Maybe it is close to that simple in your case but I disagree that it is on a statewide basis. That's like saying if we didn't have an archery season at all every buck killed in archery season would just get killed in rifle season. It's not a foregone conclusion that any given buck is either going to get killed before or during gun season or it wont on any given year. There are lots of party hunters that aren't just going to not go hunt the gun season with the boys/family because they already shot a buck with a crossbow.
I had to bite my tongue a week or two ago when my north neighbor stopped to B.S. with me. He said his son (mid 20s) shot two bucks with shotgun last year. I know they have the tags (there's like 11-13 of them hunting) and it could very well have been perfectly legal. Still, the guy is always talking about shooting big bucks, then his kid shoots two. How about letting that second one go and shoot a doe instead? I was unable to resist telling him I had passed the buck opening weekend at 25 yards he eventually shot mid week. He was quiet for a few seconds after that statement, then he told me had passed bigger bucks too but just felt he had to shoot the one he did. I didn't have it in me to call bullshit, but I would have 20 years ago. Getting old I guess
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 28, 2023 15:13:00 GMT -6
I think with all the seasons it’s time to end party hunting. I’d be fine if they allowed party hunting during the shotgun/rifle season. But maybe have a one buck limit. You can only tag one. Doe tags can be shared in management and bonus tag zones. Once you have tagged a buck the season is over, or it’s does only ! Just my 2 cents ?
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Post by smsmith on Sept 28, 2023 15:18:13 GMT -6
I'd be fine with ending party hunting completely
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Post by wklman on Sept 28, 2023 15:20:03 GMT -6
I think with all the seasons it’s time to end party hunting. I’d be fine if they allowed party hunting during the shotgun/rifle season. But maybe have a one buck limit. You can only tag one. Doe tags can be shared in management and bonus tag zones. Once you have tagged a buck the season is over, or it’s does only ! Just my 2 cents ? I completely agree! I think it's the biggest downfall of deer hunting here in mn. I've heard countless stories where somebody shoots a buck, and then continues to hunt and kill 1,2, or 3 more. All because of party hunting. I hate it.
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Post by wiscbooners89 on Sept 28, 2023 15:22:16 GMT -6
Everyone is quick to claim Iowa is the best but what does Iowa have for a late season? A late muzzle-loader season. The amount of big mature bucks killed in that late season is insane. I truly believe iowa isn't nearly as great as people claim it to be. It's people like the drurys and lakoskys that shoot giants every year that give people this perception that Iowa has giants every where.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 28, 2023 15:31:14 GMT -6
Everyone is quick to claim Iowa is the best but what does Iowa have for a late season? A late muzzle-loader season. The amount of big mature bucks killed in that late season is insane. I truly believe iowa isn't nearly as great as people claim it to be. It's people like the drurys and lakoskys that shoot giants every year that give people this perception that Iowa has giants every where. I think Iowa is good, great in some spots. But it’s not worth much in farm country with no habitat. EHD takes out some deer every year, and they have too many seasons as well. The bigger the farm and a good neighborhood makes a huge difference!
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Post by wklman on Sept 28, 2023 15:41:32 GMT -6
Everyone is quick to claim Iowa is the best but what does Iowa have for a late season? A late muzzle-loader season. The amount of big mature bucks killed in that late season is insane. I truly believe iowa isn't nearly as great as people claim it to be. It's people like the drurys and lakoskys that shoot giants every year that give people this perception that Iowa has giants every where. I think Iowa is good, great in some spots. But it’s not worth much in farm country with no habitat. EHD takes out some deer every year, and they have too many seasons as well. The bigger the farm and a good neighborhood makes a huge difference! I think Iowa's biggest asset is that it isn't broke up as much as mn. Meaning there's bigger properties with less people hunting on them. Where mn is broken up into 20's, 40's 80's, etc. Iowa is 100's, 200's, 300's. More land, less pressure. 2 must's for growing bigger deer.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 28, 2023 17:21:35 GMT -6
Most of the Iowa hunters have trigger restraint ! That makes a huge difference. I know many different Iowa landowners that pass 150-160 inch bucks . No kidding aside, they have good farms and they realize that if they are patient they can score on a big one ! The gun season doesn’t start until December. So from late October into November there are a lot of days to score on a rut buck. They chase so much more during daylight, it’s not even comparable. More mature bucks, and a better buck to doe ratio.
Overall just a really good formula for big bucks in Iowa (where there is good habitat)!
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Post by caveman on Sept 28, 2023 17:53:28 GMT -6
Small chance parts of zone 1 has reduction in opportunity in part due to xbow legislation. No chance in hell in the rest of the state. They'll just reduce doe harvest opportunity if anything. Also, i archery hunt just fine in full on marshmallow man suit in late season. What's this having to dress light stuff? Making archers have to apply for doe permits like gun hunters have to is just reducing the doe harvest opportunity, mostly in zone 1.
My experience late bow hunting is that I could not wear the heavy clothes I wanted to, and do while muzzy hunting from a stand. YMMV.
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Post by caveman on Sept 28, 2023 18:04:48 GMT -6
Before party hunting is banned I'd like to see hunters be restricted to purchase either archery or gun licenses. Choose between up to 25-32 days of gun hunting (+ special hunts) or 75 days of archery including the earliest days of the seasons.
The reason I was first invited to hunt is party hunting. If there was no party hunting I likely would never had started deer hunting. My freezer still gets venison almost every year because I hunt with people better than me and party hunting is allowed. Would be hard for me to get behind the banning of party hunting just to help trophy hunting.
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Post by smsmith on Sept 28, 2023 18:22:48 GMT -6
Before party hunting is banned I'd like to see hunters be restricted to purchase either archery or gun licenses. Choose between up to 25-32 days of gun hunting (+ special hunts) or 75 days of archery including the earliest days of the seasons. The reason I was first invited to hunt is party hunting. If there was no party hunting I likely would never had started deer hunting. My freezer still gets venison almost every year because I hunt with people better than me and party hunting is allowed. Would be hard for me to get behind the banning of party hunting just to help trophy hunting. Your post contradicts itself. You want to limit hunters to either archery or firearm presumably to limit harvest numbers. Then, you want nearly 500K deer hunters to have the ability to shoot a deer (a deer, not a buck or a trophy buck) for somebody else? Doesn't make sense. Eliminating party hunting would only increase the chances for an individual to fill a tag (a tag, not a buck tag, not a trophy buck tag). Can turkey, grouse, pheasant, duck, or any other game animal hunter legally shoot another hunter's limit? I don't know. I sure hope not. Why a person wants somebody else to shoot animals for them is beyond me. I suppose if you're living a subsistence lifestyle I'd get it.
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