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Post by smsmith on Nov 22, 2017 21:22:28 GMT -6
Prions are prions. Animal live or not. "Dirty" carcusess are actually just as much of a risk Yes but how many deer will that 1 live deer interact with vs how many deer will go over and interact with a dead deer carcass that is improperly disposed of? I don't know the answer but my bet is live deer is worse situation. It's not the carcass, it's the prions in the soil. Dump the CWD+ carcass/meat/whatever in the woods and those prions are there pretty much permanently. As far as the ability to spread rapidly to numbers of animals, I agree with you that a live animal may be more likely to do so. Spread quick, spread slow...doesn't matter...it's spreading.
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Post by wiscwhip on Nov 22, 2017 21:26:03 GMT -6
I think what Kaleb is saying is that a live deer can actively spread the disease amongst other deer on its own, a dead carcass is static in the environment and can only really "spread" prions when another creature actively seeks out the carcass and comes into direct contact with the infected tissue as opposed to the live deer seeking out the companionship of other deer.
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Post by kl9 on Nov 22, 2017 21:29:49 GMT -6
Yes but how many deer will that 1 live deer interact with vs how many deer will go over and interact with a dead deer carcass that is improperly disposed of? I don't know the answer but my bet is live deer is worse situation. It's not the carcass, it's the prions in the soil. Dump the CWD+ carcass/meat/whatever in the woods and those prions are there pretty much permanently. As far as the ability to spread rapidly to numbers of animals, I agree with you that a live animal may be more likely to do so. Spread quick, spread slow...doesn't matter...it's spreading. This is true too, but that is a pretty diluted prion concentration and while they don't know exactly how easily communicable the disease is, I do recall reading it wasn't as simple as one lick and boom the deer has it. So I would theorize deer drinking a stream that has slight amount of CWD prion in it would be less likely to be infected. Again this is just my thought process.
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Post by mnfish on Nov 22, 2017 21:29:59 GMT -6
Great discussion and Whip is in the house too!
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Post by kl9 on Nov 22, 2017 21:33:33 GMT -6
Indeed - good to hear from you again Dale!
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Post by wiscwhip on Nov 22, 2017 21:58:02 GMT -6
Honestly, as far as CWD goes, I feel we are stuck with it and it will "run its course" for many years until natural selection weeds out the most susceptible hosts and the animals that have some natural resistance will become the new breeding stock. Will any of us see this in our lifetimes? Likely not, but Ma nature will right herself at some point, with or without our help and maybe even in spite of us and our best intentions. Test before you consume, dispose of all carcasses and tainted meat as safely as science dictates, and hunt on.
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 23, 2017 5:02:23 GMT -6
So what if a herd of elk is added to Minnesota deer country and they are near cwd areas? Does this make sense at all?
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Post by smsmith on Nov 23, 2017 7:29:26 GMT -6
So what if a herd of elk is added to Minnesota deer country and they are near cwd areas? Does this make sense at all? That would make zero sense as far as containing CWD to a small area.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 23, 2017 7:35:28 GMT -6
Honestly, as far as CWD goes, I feel we are stuck with it and it will "run its course" for many years until natural selection weeds out the most susceptible hosts and the animals that have some natural resistance will become the new breeding stock. Will any of us see this in our lifetimes? Likely not, but Ma nature will right herself at some point, with or without our help and maybe even in spite of us and our best intentions. Test before you consume, dispose of all carcasses and tainted meat as safely as science dictates, and hunt on.Yup. DNRs need to be working to find a way so everyone who wants a test can get one done quickly and affordably. I still find it hard to believe that dumping carcasses in landfills is "safe".
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Post by batman on Nov 23, 2017 8:54:26 GMT -6
Wisconsins endemic zone is now 41% resistant to cwd. Board of Animal Health now requires tissue samples so they have DNA records of genotypes that are tested - positive and negative. Company in Rochester MN has created a test kit that gives CWD results in 1 hour from blood.
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Post by wiscwhip on Nov 23, 2017 9:03:47 GMT -6
Honestly, as far as CWD goes, I feel we are stuck with it and it will "run its course" for many years until natural selection weeds out the most susceptible hosts and the animals that have some natural resistance will become the new breeding stock. Will any of us see this in our lifetimes? Likely not, but Ma nature will right herself at some point, with or without our help and maybe even in spite of us and our best intentions. Test before you consume, dispose of all carcasses and tainted meat as safely as science dictates, and hunt on.Yup. DNRs need to be working to find a way so everyone who wants a test can get one done quickly and affordably. I still find it hard to believe that dumping carcasses in landfills is "safe". "Safe" is a relative term. Safe while the landfill is sealed in clay, to possibly be released into the environment at some later date. What is the "half-life" of a CWD prion? Likely no one knows for sure. Pushing this down the road for future generations to deal with seems like what we are doing now, but it does feel like landfills are the safest alternative outside of ultra high temperature incineration, which they cannot prove is 100% effective in killing the prions either, and is surely not cost effective for the average hunter. Ask yourselves how much more you would be willing to spend on your licenses to have the state set up an effective disposal program other than dumping them in a landfill and sealing it off from the environment? $10 more? $20?
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Post by batman on Nov 23, 2017 9:08:20 GMT -6
Yup. DNRs need to be working to find a way so everyone who wants a test can get one done quickly and affordably. I still find it hard to believe that dumping carcasses in landfills is "safe". "Safe" is a relative term. Safe while the landfill is sealed in clay, to possibly be released into the environment at some later date. What is the "half-life" of a CWD prion? Likely no one knows for sure. Pushing this down the road for future generations to deal with seems like what we are doing now, but it does feel like landfills are the safest alternative outside of ultra high temperature incineration, which they cannot prove is 100% effective in killing the prions either, and is surely not cost effective for the average hunter. Ask yourselves how much more you would be willing to spend on your licenses to have the state set up an effective disposal program other than dumping them in a landfill and sealing it off from the environment? $10 more? $20? Pay the govt? $0 be my answer.
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 23, 2017 9:11:27 GMT -6
Wisconsins endemic zone is now 41% resistant to cwd. Board of Animal Health now requires tissue samples so they have DNA records of genotypes that are tested - positive and negative. Company in Rochester MN has created a test kit that gives CWD results in 1 hour from blood. Can you get me a link to that company or test?
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Post by wiscwhip on Nov 23, 2017 9:11:42 GMT -6
Good point, but do you trust the Fudd's to do it properly on their own? I don't.
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Post by batman on Nov 23, 2017 9:13:14 GMT -6
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