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Post by badbrad on Dec 11, 2017 8:46:41 GMT -6
Soooooooo. I will have a little over an acre of plantings I want to do with spruce/pine for thermal cover. I originally wanted to go norway like is suggested so many places. After talking with some people I'm not sure the norways will survive my wet soils. Then I was thinking 2/3 black spurce and 1/3 norways. I was talking with the logger yesterday and he thought black would just take too long to grow and it would be a long long time if I ever got anything out of it.
I was talking with a friend from Jump River area who also has wet soils. He had very good luck with scotch pine plantings. Any thoughts on that or any thoughts on what I should plant? How fast would Balsum grow? Lots of natural Balsum there. I need help boys. LOL
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Post by badbrad on Dec 11, 2017 8:53:10 GMT -6
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 11, 2017 9:02:35 GMT -6
Black spruce is the only spruce that has done anything for me in wet soils. Very good growth from plugs. Went south when they were planted along major deer trails. Them damn things ate them all.
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Post by badbrad on Dec 11, 2017 9:07:58 GMT -6
Black spruce is the only spruce that has done anything for me in wet soils. Very good growth from plugs. Went south when they were planted along major deer trails. Them damn things ate them all. SD could you talk more about what kind of groth you got from your black? I would go plugs as well. the logger is like"you won't live long enough to see them high enough".
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Dec 11, 2017 9:10:52 GMT -6
Its tough for me to concentrate on your posts with that big titted chick playing with her boobs all the time.
Just saying....
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Post by badbrad on Dec 11, 2017 9:17:46 GMT -6
Its tough for me to concentrate on your posts with that big titted chick playing with her boobs all the time. Just saying.... Focus Mo. Focus.
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Post by badbrad on Dec 11, 2017 9:18:55 GMT -6
Where has Stu been. This question is right up his alley.
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Post by wiscwhip on Dec 11, 2017 9:54:08 GMT -6
IDK? I would think Scotch pine would drown in those soils. Balsams will take as long or longer than black spruce to put on any height and balsams are way less "full" of needles until they get pretty mature. Look at the native balsams you have in your pics, very sparse as far as cover would go. I would still suggest black spruce. Anything else I could suggest that would be "better" would get hoovered to the dirt without some serious protection.
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Post by kabic on Dec 11, 2017 10:01:11 GMT -6
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Post by badbrad on Dec 11, 2017 10:06:51 GMT -6
So looking at this list. Evergreen Trees for Wet Areas Common name Latin name Hardiness White Cedar Chamacyparis thyoides Zones 4-9 White Spruce Picea glauca Zones 2-6 Black Spruce Picea mariana Zones 3-5 Red Spruce Picea rubra Zones 3-5 What trees would grow the fastest and deer not destroy?
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 11, 2017 10:53:19 GMT -6
Black spruce is the only spruce that has done anything for me in wet soils. Very good growth from plugs. Went south when they were planted along major deer trails. Them damn things ate them all. SD could you talk more about what kind of groth you got from your black? I would go plugs as well. the logger is like"you won't live long enough to see them high enough". I'll try to dig up some pics. I had some over on HT I believe documenting the growth. From memory, I had gotten size 4 black spruce, they were about 18" tall and grew 6" in all directions the year they were put in the ground. That winter, the deer ate most of them. However, most were within 20' of their interstate highway through our property. **This was in low soil. It's maybe 6" above the water level in the spring and had full sun.
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Post by badbrad on Dec 11, 2017 11:00:45 GMT -6
SD could you talk more about what kind of groth you got from your black? I would go plugs as well. the logger is like"you won't live long enough to see them high enough". I'll try to dig up some pics. I had some over on HT I believe documenting the growth. From memory, I had gotten size 4 black spruce, they were about 18" tall and grew 6" in all directions the year they were put in the ground. That winter, the deer ate most of them. However, most were within 20' of their interstate highway through our property. **This was in low soil. It's maybe 6" above the water level in the spring and had full sun. How many years ago was that and how tall are they now? What spacing did you use?
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Post by kabic on Dec 11, 2017 11:05:17 GMT -6
I would try a variety. Maybe a few Norwegians on your driest humps. Go light on the planting the first year. Give it a year or two and see what works best for your land.
Then you can plant the bulk with what you see works best. Maybe hard to wait and do it like that, but maybe better than going all in the first year and not getting results you want.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 11, 2017 11:06:20 GMT -6
I'll try to dig up some pics. I had some over on HT I believe documenting the growth. From memory, I had gotten size 4 black spruce, they were about 18" tall and grew 6" in all directions the year they were put in the ground. That winter, the deer ate most of them. However, most were within 20' of their interstate highway through our property. **This was in low soil. It's maybe 6" above the water level in the spring and had full sun. How many years ago was that and how tall are they now? What spacing did you use? Turd link, start at post 37: habitat-talk.com/index.php?threads/habitat-happening-live-blog.388/page-2I planted them on April 19th, 2014. After one month, you can see the growth spurs forming. After two months, growth all over. Look closely and you can distinguish between the old and new growth.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 11, 2017 11:10:28 GMT -6
I can't honestly say how they're doing today. I think the deer have hit them hard the past few years and opening the canopy has made it much thicker in there. My guess would be dead via browsing, or swamped by other regen.
With care, I'd go with them all over again for a site like that. Every other spruce I've planted on that property hasn't lived, and if it has, it hasn't done shit. That woods is just too mature (no browse/cover) for unprotected seedlings of any kind.
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