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Post by sd51555 on Aug 20, 2018 7:14:06 GMT -6
So SD, how are the shares on gypsum and cat food doing? You have almost convinced me to add gypsum to my soul for the new apple tree planting’s. I took the cheap soil test route. If I put gypsum on the ground, will deer eat turnips and sugar beets instead of alfalfa, corn, sweet corn, soybeans, and edible beans? And of course apples. About thirty years ago, an experienced foodbplotter told me that sulfur is the key for clover up north. I am trying to remember his name, Bob .... who sells foodplot seed in the Staples area. Not SD’s roommate either. Bob told me that sulfur can be more important than pH, and he was referring to red clover. Biglakebass knows his name as does Lee. So the final word is ... buy stock in gypsum and cat food. After my split with Brooks there’s not much left for the company jet and executive country club membership. In all honesty, I wouldn't buy anything until I had one complete soil test. I wouldn’t buy lime, gypsum, potash, triple 19, none of it. I won’t shoot a weapon blindfolded. I won’t farm that way either. There’s too much time and sweat invested to blow it and have to wait another season for a do-over.
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 7:36:37 GMT -6
Post by kooch on Aug 20, 2018 7:36:37 GMT -6
Sulfur (Sulfate-S) in my soil sample is 2.2 ppm. I'm guessing that's pretty low. Does AMS help?
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 8:07:23 GMT -6
Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2018 8:07:23 GMT -6
Sulfur (Sulfate-S) in my soil sample is 2.2 ppm. I'm guessing that's pretty low. Does AMS help? Post a pic of your soil test. Agvise Lab always posts Sulfur as lbs, not PPM
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 8:10:51 GMT -6
Post by Catscratch on Aug 20, 2018 8:10:51 GMT -6
Sd loves this stuff. I'll throw my numbers in the mix and see what he says: Sulfate Sulfur 8.0ppm per my last sample in 2016. It showed that my sulfur is on the low end of "satisfactory", but calcium was "low" at 2370ppm. I applied around 400lbs per acre of gypsum a couple of weeks ago...
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 8:11:13 GMT -6
Post by kooch on Aug 20, 2018 8:11:13 GMT -6
I'v put down ~1,500 LB/ acre, started in the spring, SuperCal98. This spring, I also put down 0-0-60 and MAP to get about half the P&K for clover. At planting, I added the rest of the P&K, and Urea.... It's growing great.
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 8:29:21 GMT -6
Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2018 8:29:21 GMT -6
I'v put down ~1,500 LB/ acre, started in the spring, SuperCal98. This spring, I also put down 0-0-60 and MAP to get about half the P&K for clover. At planting, I added the rest of the P&K, and Urea.... It's growing great. You put down 1,500lbs per acre of super Cal per acre, when you test shows you are already high?
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 20, 2018 8:49:10 GMT -6
Sulfur (Sulfate-S) in my soil sample is 2.2 ppm. I'm guessing that's pretty low. Does AMS help? If you did a 6" soil sample, PPM x 2 = lbs/acre 2.2 ppm is basically nothing. AMS absolutely helps. It's 24% S. So 150 lbs would get you there. I shoot for 40 lbs S as a general guideline. 40 bushel beans require 14 lbs S, 130 bushel corn requires 20 lbs S. Your roots aren't going to reach 100% of the nutrients in the soil, so it helps to have extra where they can reach. So 300 lbs gypsum would do it, or 150 lbs AMS. In clover, I'd do the gypsum so you're not charging the grasses with nitrogen, brassicas I'd go with AMS. www.spectrumanalytic.com/support/library/ff/S_Basics.htmPay special attention to what they say about vegetables at the end of the video below.
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 8:49:57 GMT -6
Post by wiscwhip on Aug 20, 2018 8:49:57 GMT -6
Mo, where are you looking to make the determination that his calcium/pH is high? I must be missing something, because I do not see that?
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 8:58:38 GMT -6
Post by sd51555 on Aug 20, 2018 8:58:38 GMT -6
I'v put down ~1,500 LB/ acre, started in the spring, SuperCal98. This spring, I also put down 0-0-60 and MAP to get about half the P&K for clover. At planting, I added the rest of the P&K, and Urea.... It's growing great. You put down 1,500lbs per acre of super Cal per acre, when you test shows you are already high? He'd be ok with that wouldn't he? He's showing a 5.3 pH and near 40% magnesium.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2018 9:09:44 GMT -6
I get soil tests done all the time for farmers. As you can see in this one for myself. Cal is in the medium range at 1247. So based on Agvise labs charting. 2,000 in his test, would be in the high range, with no benefit adding anymore calcium. And his test shows no benefit for added calcium. My question was why he added more? Got a deal on some? Grandpa said he should? Ag retailer said he should?
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 20, 2018 9:16:34 GMT -6
My test shows 2370 ppm Ca but graphs it as low in Ca. What gives? What is different between tests that says Mo is high in Ca but I'm low?
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 9:18:48 GMT -6
Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2018 9:18:48 GMT -6
My test shows 2370 ppm Ca but graphs it as low in Ca. What gives? What is different between tests that says Mo is high in Ca but I'm low? So calcium at 2300 ppm is low on your test? LOL!
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2018 9:22:57 GMT -6
The difference is, I trust my testing facility.....LOL! I really have no Idea why the difference Cat!
Edit: different types of soils may be able to handle different amounts of Calcium
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Post by kooch on Aug 20, 2018 9:30:35 GMT -6
I'v put down ~1,500 LB/ acre, started in the spring, SuperCal98. This spring, I also put down 0-0-60 and MAP to get about half the P&K for clover. At planting, I added the rest of the P&K, and Urea.... It's growing great. You put down 1,500lbs per acre of super Cal per acre, when you test shows you are already high? I told you already I don't know shit about anything, well especially this. I saw the PH, and thought "Lime". The Co-op has pelletized lime. I bought it. I put it down. It's SuperCal. WTF do I know about it? Not much.
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 20, 2018 9:31:36 GMT -6
My test shows 2370 ppm Ca but graphs it as low in Ca. What gives? What is different between tests that says Mo is high in Ca but I'm low? <iframe width="21.480000000000018" height="12.519999999999982" style="position: absolute; width: 21.48px; height: 12.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 12px; top: 100px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_64432903" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.480000000000018" height="12.519999999999982" style="position: absolute; width: 21.48px; height: 12.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1014px; top: 100px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30757367" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.480000000000018" height="12.519999999999982" style="position: absolute; width: 21.48px; height: 12.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 12px; top: 663px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43619129" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.480000000000018" height="12.519999999999982" style="position: absolute; width: 21.48px; height: 12.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1014px; top: 663px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_11665700" scrolling="no"></iframe> So calcium at 2300 ppm is low on your test? LOL! Yes. I wonder if the differences have to do with CEC numbers (mine is 22.6, your's is 8.2), and % saturation Ca (mine - 52.6%, your's -76.2%)
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