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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 13:47:19 GMT -6
Post by wildfire123 on Aug 20, 2018 13:47:19 GMT -6
If your soil test says 6000# per acre, by using pell lime. adding 500# per acre would work short term. Pell lime is fast acting, you would have to ad 500# 4 years down the road, and do every 4 years until ph comes up. 6000# of regular lime at one time would be to much.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2018 13:49:59 GMT -6
If your soil test says 6000# per acre, by using pell lime. adding 500# per acre would work short term. Pell lime is fast acting, you would have to ad 500# 4 years down the road, and do every 4 years until ph comes up. 6000# of regular lime at one time would be to much. Its says 12,000lbs per acre. he will go broke trying to add pell Lime.
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Post by kooch on Aug 20, 2018 13:53:48 GMT -6
6.6 Tons per acre. But I agree. I'm not sure how I'm going to afford all that lime unless I do something different. I'll just add a little every year and keep testing, trying to grow things that'll do well in shitty soil. There ain't a lot but hay and woody browse up there in the Fall. So it's gotta help my hunting if something green will grow late. Even if it's just WR and a acid/wet tolerant clover.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2018 13:56:26 GMT -6
6.6 Tons per acre. But I agree. I'm not sure how I'm going to afford all that lime unless I do something different. Call the closest Crystal Sugar Lime plant and see if they have delivered to a farmer in your area, and buy a few trailer loads from the farmer.
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 14:20:33 GMT -6
Post by nhmountains on Aug 20, 2018 14:20:33 GMT -6
6.6 Tons per acre. But I agree. I'm not sure how I'm going to afford all that lime unless I do something different. I'll just add a little every year and keep testing, trying to grow things that'll do well in shitty soil. There ain't a lot but hay and woody browse up there in the Fall. So it's gotta help my hunting if something green will grow late. Even if it's just WR and a acid/wet tolerant clover. I think that's the right attitude to have. I think you're going to find that they'll be hitting your plots this fall and it'll keep getting better with more roaming bucks.
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Post by kooch on Aug 20, 2018 14:31:34 GMT -6
It's not all doom and gloom though. My plot was doing pretty well before the rain stopped. I haven't seen it in a couple weeks. But, you know. This looks pretty nice to me.
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 15:22:19 GMT -6
Post by wiscwhip on Aug 20, 2018 15:22:19 GMT -6
That plot looks good but the hat sucks, just sayin'...
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Post by kooch on Aug 20, 2018 15:27:04 GMT -6
That plot looks good but the hat sucks, just sayin'... Whatever.
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 16:11:42 GMT -6
Post by nhmountains on Aug 20, 2018 16:11:42 GMT -6
Dolomitic lime will increase his Mg, of which he already has a ratio of Cal/Mg that is too high on the Mg side, so no, not a good idea given he has the option. So if he gets everything in line over the next couple years will he be able to use the dolomitic or will he most likely always need to use calcitic?
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 17:50:10 GMT -6
Post by sd51555 on Aug 20, 2018 17:50:10 GMT -6
Dolomitic lime will increase his Mg, of which he already has a ratio of Cal/Mg that is too high on the Mg side, so no, not a good idea given he has the option. So if he gets everything in line over the next couple years will he be able to use the dolomitic or will he most likely always need to use calcitic? I think he's stuck with calcitic for the long term. Maybe when he wraps up his lime program, coupled with annual maintenance applications of gypsum, he may eventually get caught up, but that's gonna be a long time. It's not bad, just something to be aware of.
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Gypsum
Aug 20, 2018 18:10:58 GMT -6
Post by nhmountains on Aug 20, 2018 18:10:58 GMT -6
So if he gets everything in line over the next couple years will he be able to use the dolomitic or will he most likely always need to use calcitic? I think he's stuck with calcitic for the long term. Maybe when he wraps up his lime program, coupled with annual maintenance applications of gypsum, he may eventually get caught up, but that's gonna be a long time. It's not bad, just something to be aware of. The reason why I asked is I've got that one plot which is way off. I couldn't find calcitic lime so I went with dolomitic. It's weird that plotvis way off because it's in the middle of my other 3.
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Post by kooch on Sept 13, 2018 17:35:22 GMT -6
Necrothredia.
I found a place called "Fertimix" in Jordan today. Discussed it with him. He said to just use AMS. Said, "Gypsum is for chumps."
Well, he didn't really say the chumps part. He did say, use AMS. Maybe it's because he doesn't sell Gypsum. He does sell 4-20-20 to feed clover. That's the first time I've ever heard of that. He says, there is some nitrogen in the phosphorus component so 4 is as low as he can go.
I also asked him about custom mixing based on soil test. He said, "no extra charge, just has to be at least 50 pounds". On the way out, I spied some blue looking urea, but didn't ask about it. I think it was some of that magic slow release stuff.
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Post by sd51555 on Sept 13, 2018 19:24:02 GMT -6
Necrothredia. I found a place called "Fertimix" in Jordan today. Discussed it with him. He said to just use AMS. Said, "Gypsum is for chumps." Well, he didn't really say the chumps part. He did say, use AMS. Maybe it's because he doesn't sell Gypsum. He does sell 4-20-20 to feed clover. That's the first time I've ever heard of that. He says, there is some nitrogen in the phosphorus component so 4 is as low as he can go. I also asked him about custom mixing based on soil test. He said, "no extra charge, just has to be at least 50 pounds". On the way out, I spied some blue looking urea, but didn't ask about it. I think it was some of that magic slow release stuff. I'd use both. AMS when you need nitrogen, and gypsum when you need sulfur only. The big difference is you can put S on your clover without putting nitrogen to the grasses in your clover.
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Gypsum
Sept 13, 2018 19:39:09 GMT -6
Post by kooch on Sept 13, 2018 19:39:09 GMT -6
"The big difference is you can put S on your clover without putting nitrogen to the grasses in your clover."
Hadn't thought of that. Solid point.
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 13, 2018 19:58:09 GMT -6
Does Sheetrock contain gypsum? The same kind as soil additive gypsum?
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