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Post by kooch on Jul 30, 2019 6:53:38 GMT -6
Still no deer in 108!
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jul 30, 2019 7:26:09 GMT -6
I'm fucked. My land is now in the cwd zone with the 3 buck limit and unlimited does. Man this sucks. You put all that time and effort into the land and one/two rule changes and it wrecks it. Just sad.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 30, 2019 7:28:18 GMT -6
At first I thought my property was just outside the CWD zone in North Central MN. But a closer look at that map shows that they include the very eastern part of my zone (246) in the zone. (Not sure what they did that.....maybe just to piss me off? ) At any rate....it would appear that they use County Highway #1 as a western border for the CWD area....but I have a hard time understantding that by looking at their map. Chute.
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Post by Freeborn on Jul 30, 2019 7:40:30 GMT -6
My place is 3 deer. Does that mean 3 bucks? Christ is that bullshit.
This looks more like an attempt to kill the tradition of deer hunting then manage a herd.
I wonder what this will mean to harvest numbers?
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Post by badbrad on Jul 30, 2019 7:51:38 GMT -6
Actual footage of Ben reading the 2019 regulations.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jul 30, 2019 8:33:03 GMT -6
My place is 3 deer. Does that mean 3 bucks? Christ is that bullshit. This looks more like an attempt to kill the tradition of deer hunting then manage a herd. I wonder what this will mean to harvest numbers? No, buck limits have not change in 240, I don't think...3 deer, man my neighbors are gonna load up the ammo!
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Post by sd51555 on Jul 30, 2019 8:46:25 GMT -6
What would be their justification with that? Pretty easy. Foodplots can assist deer to survive. Deer survival in CWD units is undesirable to the MN DNR. Foodplots also cause unnatural deer congregation/concentration, thus being more likely to spread prions. I don't agree with it, but seeing how much power Lou C. apparently has when it comes to deer management here...it would not be a surprise at all. Normally, I'd say there is no way they could ever enforce it. But after seeing what they're doing with choppers and roundup on state land, I could see them ordering food plots to be sprayed with Grazon or Tordon to kill off broadleafs for a decade to thwart evil geniuses like me who'd use perennials, gypsum, and a mower.
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Post by mnaaron on Jul 30, 2019 9:10:37 GMT -6
Any changes to 241?
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Post by sd51555 on Jul 30, 2019 9:27:13 GMT -6
The book is out now.
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Post by benmnwi on Jul 30, 2019 9:38:42 GMT -6
APR's are gone in the zones I primarily hunt and buck cross tagging is now allowed as well. I'm afraid that it won't take too long to return to the pre-APR days when 2 year old bucks were hard to come by.
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Post by smsmith on Jul 30, 2019 10:24:52 GMT -6
Pretty easy. Foodplots can assist deer to survive. Deer survival in CWD units is undesirable to the MN DNR. Foodplots also cause unnatural deer congregation/concentration, thus being more likely to spread prions. I don't agree with it, but seeing how much power Lou C. apparently has when it comes to deer management here...it would not be a surprise at all. Normally, I'd say there is no way they could ever enforce it. But after seeing what they're doing with choppers and roundup on state land, I could see them ordering food plots to be sprayed with Grazon or Tordon to kill off broadleafs for a decade to thwart evil geniuses like me who'd use perennials, gypsum, and a mower. Pretty easy to see forest openings via Google Earth. Just give the MN DNR a "reason" to go walking around on private land. I wouldn't put anything past Lou and the rest of those idiots.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 30, 2019 10:35:00 GMT -6
Intensive harvest here also. I see no reason for farmers to complain about too many deer when they can have a landowner tag plus three more tags per family member.
Yesterday I noticed a doe standing in my hay field that did not run when saw a car.
Will intensive harvest again turn them to spooks? It took a Deer generation to get over it.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 30, 2019 10:38:06 GMT -6
How can they outlaw foodplots? Just plant clover or alfalfa hay for harvest and sale. Plant rye, radishes, and turnips for cover crops on years you take the hay out.
So..... if cover crops are important for protecting the soil, why spray woods with glyco?
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Post by smsmith on Jul 30, 2019 10:45:14 GMT -6
How can they outlaw foodplots? Just plant clover or alfalfa hay for harvest and sale. Plant rye, radishes, and turnips for cover crops on years you take the hay out.So..... if cover crops are important for protecting the soil, why spray woods with glyco? Easy enough for the DNR to say if you're not a farmer or otherwise selling/marketing/whatever the "food" from your plots that they are for a reason other than profit and therefore are foodplots for deer. How can they do all that they've done and will do already? They come up with rules and we have to follow them. Now there's mandatory testing in all of the CWD zones. I would be for that as I would want any venison tested, but I am sure it will be a major PITA. Can you imagine how many trophy buck capes are gonna get fucked up due to some DNR intern's poor knife skills?
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Post by sd51555 on Jul 30, 2019 11:15:31 GMT -6
How can they outlaw foodplots? Just plant clover or alfalfa hay for harvest and sale. Plant rye, radishes, and turnips for cover crops on years you take the hay out. So..... if cover crops are important for protecting the soil, why spray woods with glyco? I wouldn't count on the old loop holes being there. Big brother knows where they are. When the time comes, I'd expect them to use as many levers as needed to force the extermination of deer. There are very few sacred farmers too. Nobody gives a damn about anyone trying to grow food or raise animals for personal consumption or local sale. When u see politicians cry for farmers, they're really crying for the conduit that pumps money between food retailers and processors, and seed and chemical companies.
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