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Pigweed
Aug 5, 2021 14:06:45 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 14:06:45 GMT -6
Thus my quest for a NT Drill. Unless you're drilling into an established cover crop, you still end up with bare soil at some point. The farmers going with NT drills around here are usually drilling corn into last year's soybean field, or into a red clover or alfalfa field that had been terminated the previous fall. Why do you say that? If I get a good stand of rye established this fall on most of my available land.....this would serve to keep the pigweed at bay through mid summer 2022....and I could then nuke that stuff with roundup and pigweed cocktail (if needed). Then, perhaps mow it....and plant collards and brassica and clover into the rye duff.....as well as more winter rye at some point late 2022. (kinda like what you might call a move that SD might make? wink). EDIT: One of my chief concerns is the allopathic effects of rye with collards and brassica. I know clover goes with rye like peanut butter and jelly....cause Doubletree (Paul) told me so. .
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Pigweed
Aug 5, 2021 14:20:38 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 14:20:38 GMT -6
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Pigweed
Aug 5, 2021 14:50:14 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 14:50:14 GMT -6
....and here is good 'ole Jeff Stugis with a good video on Rye and Brassica etc. I need to listen about 5 times here.....as I need to absorb this. (I think I bought this book too.....but its in OZ)
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 5, 2021 15:01:28 GMT -6
That don’t apply to the new super weeds. They grow right through it now.
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Pigweed
Aug 5, 2021 15:08:56 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 15:08:56 GMT -6
That don’t apply to the new super weeds. They grow right through it now. Your beginning to sound like Dr Gloom and Doom MO! Geeze. I know my new BIL is a farmer in Iowa.....just retiring. And he was a very successful farmer.....and was / is huge on cover crops. Knows the guys at Green Cover crops. I need him to get involved in my project here.....maybe he can steer me in the right directions too. Seems like it's getting too complicated for a part-time, small-time, food plotter to give two chits about this stuff? In other news.....how is your pool progressing? Did you get those boys straightened out??
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 5, 2021 15:30:25 GMT -6
That don’t apply to the new super weeds. They grow right through it now. Your beginning to sound like Dr Gloom and Doom MO! Geeze. I know my new BIL is a farmer in Iowa.....just retiring. And he was a very successful farmer.....and was / is huge on cover crops. Knows the guys at Green Cover crops. I need him to get involved in my project here.....maybe he can steer me in the right directions too. Seems like it's getting too complicated for a part-time, small-time, food plotter to give two chits about this stuff? In other news.....how is your pool progressing? Did you get those boys straightened out?? Just speaking the truth as I see through a thousand customers.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 5, 2021 18:09:47 GMT -6
If I had a tractor and NT drill (and acreage that was suitable for a drill) I'd establish everything into a clover/alfalfa/chicory/small burnett mix. Then use that NT drill to drill radish and/or turnip into those perennial plots when they start thinning out. Maybe suppress them and clean up some weeds with 1 qt. acre/gly before drilling in the seed.
That's it, all I'd ever do. The main focus would be on keeping the perennial plots going as thick as they could be.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 18:20:42 GMT -6
If I had a tractor and NT drill (and acreage that was suitable for a drill) I'd establish everything into a clover/alfalfa/chicory/small burnett mix. Then use that NT drill to drill radish and/or turnip into those perennial plots when they start thinning out. Maybe suppress them and clean up some weeds with 1 qt. acre/gly before drilling in the seed. That's it, all I'd ever do. The main focus would be on keeping the perennial plots going as thick as they could be. ....and I think that is where I am heading Stu. I think I may have to buy a box of brew and come and visit with you on those ideas on afternoon soon. Thanks allot for some advice. Same to you MO. Quite helpful!
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Post by kooch on Aug 5, 2021 18:46:30 GMT -6
I broadcast that exact mix last weekend, minus the alfalfa, on my skinny plot. Of course, along with a bunch of Mobuck's rye. I sprayed that son of a bitch three times this Summer. It's dirt, hard, cracked, dry dirt. Here's a pro tip. Don't put the burnett in the mix with the clover and try to broadcast it. They are way bigger than the rest of seed and it's a pain in the ass.
I hope it rains someday. Chicory is expensive.
Oh, I think I mixed in a pound of Kohlrabi seed I had left over from a couple years ago, just for grins.
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Pigweed
Aug 5, 2021 19:28:48 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 19:28:48 GMT -6
If I had a tractor and NT drill (and acreage that was suitable for a drill) I'd establish everything into a clover/alfalfa/chicory/small burnett mix. Then use that NT drill to drill radish and/or turnip into those perennial plots when they start thinning out. Maybe suppress them and clean up some weeds with 1 qt. acre/gly before drilling in the seed. That's it, all I'd ever do. The main focus would be on keeping the perennial plots going as thick as they could be. Stu. WATCH the video presentation below. Your new Quad would be able to pull a small drill like the one shown - especially if you could get an 8 footer or be able to cut down a ten footer to a fiver. Not too hard to do I am told. This would allow you to do about what your saying to me.....except you use your quad. I think with a little searching you could find a good one of these for under $1500 Maybe you could do a joint project with your neighbor? He could cut one of these down in no time. Win / Win
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Pigweed
Aug 5, 2021 19:55:05 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 19:55:05 GMT -6
OK....one more really good video by this guy. Then if you like his presentations.....subscribe to his channel for more of this stuff. But I dont know of another video that teaches the basics of drills, planters, and such like this one.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 5, 2021 20:02:27 GMT -6
If I had a tractor and NT drill (and acreage that was suitable for a drill) I'd establish everything into a clover/alfalfa/chicory/small burnett mix. Then use that NT drill to drill radish and/or turnip into those perennial plots when they start thinning out. Maybe suppress them and clean up some weeds with 1 qt. acre/gly before drilling in the seed. That's it, all I'd ever do. The main focus would be on keeping the perennial plots going as thick as they could be. Stu. WATCH the video presentation below. Your new Quad would be able to pull a small drill like the one shown - especially if you could get an 8 footer or be able to cut down a ten footer to a fiver. Not too hard to do I am told. This would allow you to do about what your saying to me.....except you use your quad. I think with a little searching you could find a good one of these for under $1500 Maybe you could do a joint project with your neighbor? He could cut one of these down in no time. Win / Win Stu wants a no till drill with down pressure, that ain’t what’s in the video.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 5, 2021 20:07:35 GMT -6
I don't want any farm equipment. A sprayer, seeder, and cultipacker is the extent of what I plot with and it's gonna stay that way. I actually envision the day in the relatively near future where I may only maintain my plots as forest openings via in frequent mowing, and whatever grows there is what grows there.
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Pigweed
Aug 5, 2021 20:08:19 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 20:08:19 GMT -6
Stu. WATCH the video presentation below. Your new Quad would be able to pull a small drill like the one shown - especially if you could get an 8 footer or be able to cut down a ten footer to a fiver. Not too hard to do I am told. This would allow you to do about what your saying to me.....except you use your quad. I think with a little searching you could find a good one of these for under $1500 Maybe you could do a joint project with your neighbor? He could cut one of these down in no time. Win / Win Stu wants a no till drill with down pressure, that ain’t what’s in the video. Yeah....but no? In light soils some of those double disk drills can penetrate quite well. Ask Tom over in Wisconsin about his experience in doing this. And as he says here in this video.....planters (like my JD 71) do a fine job in a no till situation. I believe the right drill could do what he needs done on a small scale....somewhat like this guy says.....if STU's soil is somewhat sandy. You can increase the down pressure some via those springs, and weight....if you go slow and have a good machine....IMO. If it dont work....sell the drill for more than you paid for it.....if your a good shopper. My 2 cents.
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Pigweed
Aug 5, 2021 20:09:54 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 20:09:54 GMT -6
OK....reminds me of the saying....My minds made up....dont confuse me whit the facts. . It's all good.
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