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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 15, 2019 7:50:34 GMT -6
Spray it with 7 oz of Milestone herbicide per acre and see if it comes back. I was going to get some Milestone this fall for Thistle control in the pastures, good to know that it might be useful in the plots also. Thanks Mo. You were talking about Palmer possibly on the driveway. Milestone should kill Palmer and those Thistles.....
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 15, 2019 13:54:46 GMT -6
I was going to get some Milestone this fall for Thistle control in the pastures, good to know that it might be useful in the plots also. Thanks Mo. You were talking about Palmer possibly on the driveway. Milestone should kill Palmer and those Thistles..... I just mentioned the driveway weeds because they are the one's I experiment on. Once I get tired of not being able to kill them with herbicides I pull them by hand (driving over them every day doesn't even kill them, they are probably great for breaking up compaction). Mo, I hadn't really thought of Milestone for Palmer... does it have any residual effects? I was thinking it did. I don't know much about it yet, if it does have residual does it affect broadleaf seed only or would it also affect other plants?
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Post by smsmith on Aug 16, 2019 19:46:06 GMT -6
You were talking about Palmer possibly on the driveway. Milestone should kill Palmer and those Thistles..... I just mentioned the driveway weeds because they are the one's I experiment on. Once I get tired of not being able to kill them with herbicides I pull them by hand (driving over them every day doesn't even kill them, they are probably great for breaking up compaction). Mo, I hadn't really thought of Milestone for Palmer... does it have any residual effects? I was thinking it did. I don't know much about it yet, if it does have residual does it affect broadleaf seed only or would it also affect other plants? I ain't MO, that's for sure. That said, IME Milestone has significant residual effects. I have some lilacs that are still experiencing those effects 3-4 years after application of Milestone. I love the stuff for thistle control, and will continue to add some to my triclopyr/diesel spray for buckthorn/ironwood/honeysuckle control in the winter...but I will never again use it anywhere near a foodplot or anywhere else I intend to grow broadleaf plants/shrubs/trees.
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Pigweed
Aug 16, 2019 19:57:39 GMT -6
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 16, 2019 19:57:39 GMT -6
I just mentioned the driveway weeds because they are the one's I experiment on. Once I get tired of not being able to kill them with herbicides I pull them by hand (driving over them every day doesn't even kill them, they are probably great for breaking up compaction). Mo, I hadn't really thought of Milestone for Palmer... does it have any residual effects? I was thinking it did. I don't know much about it yet, if it does have residual does it affect broadleaf seed only or would it also affect other plants? I ain't MO, that's for sure. That said, IME Milestone has significant residual effects. I have some lilacs that are still experiencing those effects 3-4 years after application of Milestone. I love the stuff for thistle control, and will continue to add some to my triclopyr/diesel spray for buckthorn/ironwood/honeysuckle control in the winter...but I will never again use it anywhere near a foodplot or anywhere else I intend to grow broadleaf plants/shrubs/trees. Dang... 3-4 years is a long ass time! I read today that it was up to a year which is actually great in a pasture sitting. Would want nothing that long winded anywhere close to a plot.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 16, 2019 20:07:24 GMT -6
I ain't MO, that's for sure. That said, IME Milestone has significant residual effects. I have some lilacs that are still experiencing those effects 3-4 years after application of Milestone. I love the stuff for thistle control, and will continue to add some to my triclopyr/diesel spray for buckthorn/ironwood/honeysuckle control in the winter...but I will never again use it anywhere near a foodplot or anywhere else I intend to grow broadleaf plants/shrubs/trees. Dang... 3-4 years is a long ass time! I read today that it was up to a year which is actually great in a pasture sitting. Would want nothing that long winded anywhere close to a plot. I've got a few examples of french hybrid lilacs ($$) that I've planted around the homestead with damage from Milestone that come to mind. I have been a bit surprised by the residual impact of Milestone on desirable broadleaves
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Pigweed
Aug 16, 2019 21:01:54 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 16, 2019 21:01:54 GMT -6
Does Liberty Herbicide have any carryover issues? Been thinking if I could plant Liberty Beans and spray twice......then plant brassica into the clean bean rows in July......that I could get the best of both worlds (summer and fall food plots). But I fear Liberty would prevent the brasica from growing??
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Pigweed
Aug 17, 2019 8:36:50 GMT -6
Post by smsmith on Aug 17, 2019 8:36:50 GMT -6
Does Liberty Herbicide have any carryover issues? Been thinking if I could plant Liberty Beans and spray twice......then plant brassica into the clean bean rows in July......that I could get the best of both worlds (summer and fall food plots). But I fear Liberty would prevent the brasica from growing?? I don't think so, but I have never used Liberty.
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Pigweed
Aug 17, 2019 9:21:51 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 17, 2019 9:21:51 GMT -6
Does Liberty Herbicide have any carryover issues? Been thinking if I could plant Liberty Beans and spray twice......then plant brassica into the clean bean rows in July......that I could get the best of both worlds (summer and fall food plots). But I fear Liberty would prevent the brasica from growing?? I don't think so, but I have never used Liberty. If Liberty soybeans are available......and IF there is no "carry-over"......then I could plant into the remains of last years crop (after nuking the plot).......then hit early beans with a dose of Liberty Herbicide (which knocks out pigweed and others)........do a second application of Liberty prior to planting brasica mix into the bean rows in July........and be weed free going into fall. Not sure what to do about a rotation.....if any.....or just rinse and repeat. I have 8 different food plot areas......so I consider some type of rotation between these areas to let the land recoup a bit and reduce weeds, insect issues, etc. The other current practice I have is rye (or small grain mix) and red and white clover which is good for a few years. Also straight brassica.....but this is what got me into the pigweed problems.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 19, 2019 5:30:49 GMT -6
I just mentioned the driveway weeds because they are the one's I experiment on. Once I get tired of not being able to kill them with herbicides I pull them by hand (driving over them every day doesn't even kill them, they are probably great for breaking up compaction). Mo, I hadn't really thought of Milestone for Palmer... does it have any residual effects? I was thinking it did. I don't know much about it yet, if it does have residual does it affect broadleaf seed only or would it also affect other plants? I ain't MO, that's for sure. That said, IME Milestone has significant residual effects. I have some lilacs that are still experiencing those effects 3-4 years after application of Milestone. I love the stuff for thistle control, and will continue to add some to my triclopyr/diesel spray for buckthorn/ironwood/honeysuckle control in the winter...but I will never again use it anywhere near a foodplot or anywhere else I intend to grow broadleaf plants/shrubs/trees. Yep, milestone is and never will be intended for food plotters. But as you said. It’s deadly on thistle and does a fair job on Palmer.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 19, 2019 5:34:40 GMT -6
Does Liberty Herbicide have any carryover issues? Been thinking if I could plant Liberty Beans and spray twice......then plant brassica into the clean bean rows in July......that I could get the best of both worlds (summer and fall food plots). But I fear Liberty would prevent the brasica from growing?? Thought I just told you that? It’s what I do in Missouri all the time. But now I will use the new GT 27 Beans out from Stine. They are RR/Liberty Link cross. Spray Glyphosate early when it’s cool out and then spray Liberty on the second pass when it’s warm out. Liberty does not work like Glyphosate, it needs heat to burn the weeds.
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Pigweed
Aug 19, 2019 7:38:51 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 19, 2019 7:38:51 GMT -6
Does Liberty Herbicide have any carryover issues? Been thinking if I could plant Liberty Beans and spray twice......then plant brassica into the clean bean rows in July......that I could get the best of both worlds (summer and fall food plots). But I fear Liberty would prevent the brasica from growing?? Thought I just told you that? It’s what I do in Missouri all the time. But now I will use the new GT 27 Beans out from Stine. They are RR/Liberty Link cross. Spray Glyphosate early when it’s cool out and then spray Liberty on the second pass when it’s warm out. Liberty does not work like Glyphosate, it needs heat to burn the weeds. Hmmm. Not sure I heard what you told me when you said that. Grin.....I'm kinda a slow learner. I think this may be my plan for next season soy beans and brasica plots. Are liberty beans or GT 27 Beans readily available? What will they cost?? I'd only need two bags or so. AND.....do I need to be a licensed applicator for Liberty Link chemical? Can you get me the seed and chemicals to go with it....if I put in my order now? The plot thickens..........
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Pigweed
Aug 19, 2019 8:06:57 GMT -6
Post by Foggy on Aug 19, 2019 8:06:57 GMT -6
I just found a good article on Liberty beans......and found it to be helpful to me :https://www.ocj.com/2016/08/things-to-know-before-buying-libertylink-soybeans-for-next-year/ Lots of reading on this topic.....and several food plot guys are doing this from what I read. Sounds like a solution is at hand......now if it's affordable.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2019 6:14:50 GMT -6
Thought I just told you that? It’s what I do in Missouri all the time. But now I will use the new GT 27 Beans out from Stine. They are RR/Liberty Link cross. Spray Glyphosate early when it’s cool out and then spray Liberty on the second pass when it’s warm out. Liberty does not work like Glyphosate, it needs heat to burn the weeds. Hmmm. Not sure I heard what you told me when you said that. Grin.....I'm kinda a slow learner. I think this may be my plan for next season soy beans and brasica plots. Are liberty beans or GT 27 Beans readily available? What will they cost?? I'd only need two bags or so. AND.....do I need to be a licensed applicator for Liberty Link chemical? Can you get me the seed and chemicals to go with it....if I put in my order now? The plot thickens.......... GT 27 Beans will be readily available to all zones of agriculture for the 2020 crop season. Looks like either side of $50 bag depending on which Seed company you purchase from.
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Pigweed
Aug 20, 2019 8:24:31 GMT -6
Post by Catscratch on Aug 20, 2019 8:24:31 GMT -6
Hmmm. Not sure I heard what you told me when you said that. Grin.....I'm kinda a slow learner. I think this may be my plan for next season soy beans and brasica plots. Are liberty beans or GT 27 Beans readily available? What will they cost?? I'd only need two bags or so. AND.....do I need to be a licensed applicator for Liberty Link chemical? Can you get me the seed and chemicals to go with it....if I put in my order now? The plot thickens.......... GT 27 Beans will be readily available to all zones of agriculture for the 2020 crop season. Looks like either side of $50 bag depending on which Seed company you purchase from. Mo, I asked my seed guy about RR/Liberty beans last spring. He asked "why, gly is useless now and Liberty takes care of everything anyway". I told him I can get gly cheap and easy for grass control and use Liberty for spot spraying. His response was that makes since for a plotter who has trouble getting Liberty but farmers would have no use for it (RR fields are a guaranteed mess around here). What's your take, why would farmers want both genes when one product doesn't work well against problem weeds and the other does?
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 20, 2019 8:58:13 GMT -6
GT 27 Beans will be readily available to all zones of agriculture for the 2020 crop season. Looks like either side of $50 bag depending on which Seed company you purchase from. Mo, I asked my seed guy about RR/Liberty beans last spring. He asked "why, gly is useless now and Liberty takes care of everything anyway". I told him I can get gly cheap and easy for grass control and use Liberty for spot spraying. His response was that makes since for a plotter who has trouble getting Liberty but farmers would have no use for it (RR fields are a guaranteed mess around here). What's your take, why would farmers want both genes when one product doesn't work well against problem weeds and the other does? Because liberty herbicide does not work well in cool temps up here. Roundup is still effective on a lot of weeds here. Just not waterhemp, giant ragweed and Palmer. We can spray roundup early then come back and spray Liberty on the 2nd pass. Liberty is a burner and needs heat to work well. GT 27 cross Beans are more affordable then the 2,4D Beans and no herbicide carry over for food plotters
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