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Post by nhmountains on Jan 3, 2021 13:38:32 GMT -6
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Post by smsmith on Mar 11, 2021 20:19:38 GMT -6
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 11, 2021 21:15:05 GMT -6
Some good stuff on page 10 about fruit tasting different grown in different locations
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Post by smsmith on Mar 11, 2021 21:18:08 GMT -6
Some good stuff on page 10 about fruit tasting different grown in different locations Somewhere in the first few pages there was a statement about crabapples being used for rootstocks, and then being found to not be a good choice (paraphrasing). I wish he would have elaborated. Not good because why? Fruit taste? Hardiness? Compatibility? Length of life?
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 11, 2021 23:19:42 GMT -6
Some good stuff on page 10 about fruit tasting different grown in different locations Somewhere in the first few pages there was a statement about crabapples being used for rootstocks, and then being found to not be a good choice (paraphrasing). I wish he would have elaborated. Not good because why? Fruit taste? Hardiness? Compatibility? Length of life? I’m not sure. He mentioned that Aroostook County required different rootstock due to cold. They started with Duchess which I’d heard could be grown from seed. I can get all the seeds I want from my in-laws tree.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 12, 2021 3:20:01 GMT -6
Rootstock choice is an interesting topic. It is hard to understand the regional differences.
I received scion from a guy who has his trees west of Bemidji. He said he hit -48 a few years ago. Now, he only uses Siberian rootstock and does not bench graft. He plants rootstock and after a few years, topworks at a 3-4 foot height.
I have done that with some swamp crab that I transplanted years ago and with some failed bench grafts that are ranetka or dolgo. My main reason was to get the scion size to match.
It seems like some of the Alberta fruit growers do the same thing.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 12, 2021 3:21:45 GMT -6
Rootstock choice is an interesting topic. It is hard to understand the regional differences. I received scion from a guy who has his trees west of Bemidji. He said he hit -48 a few years ago. Now, he only uses Siberian rootstock and does not bench graft. He plants rootstock and after a few years, topworks at a 3-4 foot height. I have done that with some swamp crab that I transplanted years ago and with some failed bench grafts that are ranetka or dolgo. My main reason was to get the scion size to match. It seems like some of the Alberta fruit growers do the same thing. low snowfall years and extreme cold might have lower temperatures near the ground. Five to six feet up could be a few degrees warmer.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 12, 2021 7:20:06 GMT -6
Somewhere in the first few pages there was a statement about crabapples being used for rootstocks, and then being found to not be a good choice (paraphrasing). I wish he would have elaborated. Not good because why? Fruit taste? Hardiness? Compatibility? Length of life? I’m not sure. He mentioned that Aroostook County required different rootstock due to cold. They started with Duchess which I’d heard could be grown from seed. I can get all the seeds I want from my in-laws tree. Lawyer Nursery used to sell borowinka (Duchess) rootstock many years ago. I've read a number of times that Tolman Sweet seedlings were used for rootstocks too. That variety is supposed to be very cold hardy and long lived. I've got two grafted Tolman's here, one of my favorite eating apples.
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Post by benmnwi on Mar 12, 2021 12:44:20 GMT -6
I've used red splendor crabapple as rootstocks for a few years with good luck, but who knows if it will be a good long term option. I know the red splendor crabapples are extremely hardy at my Rusk County property and they never seem to show any winter injury. I've planted a lot of those crabapples for the grouse up there and they did so well I assumed they would be a solid rootstock option.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 12, 2021 12:50:46 GMT -6
I've got plenty of trees on various crab rootstocks. Time will tell how they all do. I have read a number of things stating that crabapple rootstocks can negatively impact grafted apple flavor (negative is subjective I suppose). I've got a few varieties where I've grafted one tree to a standard/semi-standard rootstock and another to crabapple rootstock. It will be interesting to see if there are any noticeable differences in fruit quality or anything else.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 12, 2021 16:13:47 GMT -6
I've got plenty of trees on various crab rootstocks. Time will tell how they all do. I have read a number of things stating that crabapple rootstocks can negatively impact grafted apple flavor (negative is subjective I suppose). I've got a few varieties where I've grafted one tree to a standard/semi-standard rootstock and another to crabapple rootstock. It will be interesting to see if there are any noticeable differences in fruit quality or anything else. I have to smile about crabs negatively impacting apple flavor. They might also improve it. I know you thought of me when you said subjective. I do know that my chestnut crabs taste different from the trees at home versus outback, Different rootstocks for sure.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 12, 2021 16:14:06 GMT -6
I've got plenty of trees on various crab rootstocks. Time will tell how they all do. I have read a number of things stating that crabapple rootstocks can negatively impact grafted apple flavor (negative is subjective I suppose). I've got a few varieties where I've grafted one tree to a standard/semi-standard rootstock and another to crabapple rootstock. It will be interesting to see if there are any noticeable differences in fruit quality or anything else. I have to smile about crabs negatively impacting apple flavor. They might also improve it. I know you thought of me when you said subjective. I do know that my chestnut crabs taste different from the trees at home versus outback, Different rootstocks for sure.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 13, 2021 7:56:30 GMT -6
I've got plenty of trees on various crab rootstocks. Time will tell how they all do. I have read a number of things stating that crabapple rootstocks can negatively impact grafted apple flavor (negative is subjective I suppose). I've got a few varieties where I've grafted one tree to a standard/semi-standard rootstock and another to crabapple rootstock. It will be interesting to see if there are any noticeable differences in fruit quality or anything else. I have to smile about crabs negatively impacting apple flavor. They might also improve it. I know you thought of me when you said subjective.I do know that my chestnut crabs taste different from the trees at home versus outback, Different rootstocks for sure. I did think of you, but I also thought of hard cider makers (of which you are one). The tannins that many crabs have are highly sought after for hard ciders (or so I am told). I will say that if I graft a sweet apple, I want it for that characteristic. I wouldn't be too excited about my Tolman Sweets tasting like a wild crabapple.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 20, 2021 20:04:41 GMT -6
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Post by nhmountains on Jun 29, 2021 18:16:22 GMT -6
Hail netting
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