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Post by Bwoods11 on Oct 11, 2019 13:36:44 GMT -6
The big game gal (Barbara Keller) said the youth hunt had 51% support for statewide. I asked her if we can submit a survey on moving the gun season back and if 51% support will they move the season back ...still waiting to hear?
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Post by nhmountains on Oct 11, 2019 17:17:33 GMT -6
Can someone tell me why I’m not allowed to bring my bow next weekend when my daughter is participating in the youth hunt?? I’m a licensed bow hunter. In NH the premise for the youth hunt is that it’s for the kids. The parents are supposed to put their focus on teaching the kids to hunt properly and follow the laws and teach them good ethical clean kills. The parents need to be with eyesight and talking distance of the kids and aren’t supposed to be armed. We had parents that were abusing the youth weekend and shooting deer instead of letting their kids shoot them. The state of N.H. maintains there is plenty of other time in the fall for a parent to go hunting without their child. The parents are welcome to bring weapons during the non youth weekends if they want to even if the kids are with them. There were several stories here in N.H. of parents bringing weapons with them during our youth hunts and shooting monster deer instead of letting their kids shoot. That didn’t sit well with the powers that be. That’s a whole other debate that I don’t want to get into. I don’t have a nickel in it but, if they’re going to have a special youth hunt then I believe if you’re taking a kid hunting then they should be your focus for that day. If you want to shoot the big buck then leave the kid at home. I don’t think youth season should be for more than a day or two. I’d be against a week or month long season for youth too. We had no youth season growing up. I remember sitting through below zero weather from sunrise to sunset with my dad for two seasons in the early 1970s before I was allowed to carry a weapon. This is before shooting huts and propane heaters. No hand warmers. It sucked but I didn’t want to show him I couldn’t handle it. After I got to hunt on my own I quickly switched to still hunting and covered miles of woods and saw a lot more deer.
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Post by kl9 on Oct 11, 2019 17:26:19 GMT -6
Kooch—no, I think the season has merits in some areas. Not statewide. It’s just a lot of gun hunting in MN. How could it possibly have merits in one area but not the next? If you are eluding to population control tackle that head on but that is different than a youth season. If Little Johnny gets to shoot a deer he should be able to do it in an area of one deer per square mile as well as an area of 100 deer per square mile
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Post by batman on Oct 11, 2019 18:04:22 GMT -6
Kooch—no, I think the season has merits in some areas. Not statewide. It’s just a lot of gun hunting in MN. How could it possibly have merits in one area but not the next? If you are eluding to population control tackle that head on but that is different than a youth season. If Little Johnny gets to shoot a deer he should be able to do it in an area of one deer per square mile as well as an area of 100 deer per square mile 100% spot on. And Jonny should be able to hunt at night over bait from a vehicle.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Oct 11, 2019 20:11:47 GMT -6
Kooch—no, I think the season has merits in some areas. Not statewide. It’s just a lot of gun hunting in MN. How could it possibly have merits in one area but not the next? If you are eluding to population control tackle that head on but that is different than a youth season. If Little Johnny gets to shoot a deer he should be able to do it in an area of one deer per square mile as well as an area of 100 deer per square mile More deer in certain areas, larger blocks of land. You kill a few deer and put pressure on farm country and you will not see any on the actual deer opener. We are talking hunting groves of 5-10 acres, maybe a small CRP field. Big difference.
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Post by MN Slick on Oct 14, 2019 7:11:23 GMT -6
Back in the day kids would hunt with their parents during the regular seasons. What's wrong with that? So much for my plan to hunt public in the Alexandria area this weekend. Oh well, it's going to be hot anyway.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Oct 14, 2019 12:58:51 GMT -6
Back in the day kids would hunt with their parents during the regular seasons. What's wrong with that? So much for my plan to hunt public in the Alexandria area this weekend. Oh well, it's going to be hot anyway. I have talked to about dozen hunters on this and 90% do not like it and they all have kids. It is over MEA, which is a time when many kids use to bow hunt, pheasant hunt, grouse hunt, duck hunt, goose hunt? I don't know why this was necessary. They can hunt all those seasons already? It will be interesting if we actually recruit more hunters.
Not opposed to youth hunts at all. In certain areas or states, Wisconsin, Iowa have them but they also do not have the early gun season we have. How about opening state parks or refuges to kids without opportunity for mentored hunts? Maybe have a weekend youth gun hunt in late November and cut the muzzy season down to 9 days?
There is no protection of archery weekends in MN, we have lost 4 or 5 weekends in the past 20 years to gun hunts. The argument is well it is a long archery season. Yes, not bad, but how many weekends are good quality hunts, maybe two? MEA was a fairly good time, but that is now a gun weekend. I personally will not be affected much by this, but some guys rely on public or they hunt on someone's land--how will this change it?
The true test to see how popular a youth hunt would be,,,have it proposed that next year it will be the first 4 days of gun season and then see how popular the surveys and feedback is?
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Post by batman on Oct 14, 2019 13:31:02 GMT -6
The big game gal (Barbara Keller) said the youth hunt had 51% support for statewide. I asked her if we can submit a survey on moving the gun season back and if 51% support will they move the season back ...still waiting to hear? Statewide support for yearling buck protection is well over 50%
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Post by sd51555 on Oct 14, 2019 13:53:07 GMT -6
Back in the day kids would hunt with their parents during the regular seasons. What's wrong with that? So much for my plan to hunt public in the Alexandria area this weekend. Oh well, it's going to be hot anyway. I have talked to about dozen hunters on this and 90% do not like it and they all have kids. It is over MEA, which is a time when many kids use to bow hunt, pheasant hunt, grouse hunt, duck hunt, goose hunt? I don't know why this was necessary. They can hunt all those seasons already? It will be interesting if we actually recruit more hunters.
Not opposed to youth hunts at all. In certain areas or states, Wisconsin, Iowa have them but they also do not have the early gun season we have. How about opening state parks or refuges to kids without opportunity for mentored hunts? Maybe have a weekend youth gun hunt in late November and cut the muzzy season down to 9 days?
There is no protection of archery weekends in MN, we have lost 4 or 5 weekends in the past 20 years to gun hunts. The argument is well it is a long archery season. Yes, not bad, but how many weekends are good quality hunts, maybe two? MEA was a fairly good time, but that is now a gun weekend. I personally will not be affected much by this, but some guys rely on public or they hunt on someone's land--how will this change it?
The true test to see how popular a youth hunt would be,,,have it proposed that next year it will be the first 4 days of gun season and then see how popular the surveys and feedback is?
That land is supposed to be used by everyone, including non-hunters from town, Iowa, and China. To box anyone out that wishes to use that land in any way allowed by the state would break the promise of shared resources. This is what they wanted, that is what they got.
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Post by nitro27 on Oct 14, 2019 14:36:03 GMT -6
I've always had mixed feelings on youth hunt, heard of too many instances the adult actually shooing the deer for the kid, especially if a nice buck. I do favor special hunt at that time for the handicapped, kids with life threatening illness etc.
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Post by badbrad on Oct 14, 2019 15:08:58 GMT -6
Your Minnesota law writers don't get much right when it comes to deer regs do they.
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Post by biglakebass on Oct 14, 2019 16:43:05 GMT -6
Back in the day kids would hunt with their parents during the regular seasons. What's wrong with that? So much for my plan to hunt public in the Alexandria area this weekend. Oh well, it's going to be hot anyway. I have talked to about dozen hunters on this and 90% do not like it and they all have kids. It is over MEA, which is a time when many kids use to bow hunt, pheasant hunt, grouse hunt, duck hunt, goose hunt? I don't know why this was necessary. They can hunt all those seasons already? It will be interesting if we actually recruit more hunters.
Not opposed to youth hunts at all. In certain areas or states, Wisconsin, Iowa have them but they also do not have the early gun season we have. How about opening state parks or refuges to kids without opportunity for mentored hunts? Maybe have a weekend youth gun hunt in late November and cut the muzzy season down to 9 days?
There is no protection of archery weekends in MN, we have lost 4 or 5 weekends in the past 20 years to gun hunts. The argument is well it is a long archery season. Yes, not bad, but how many weekends are good quality hunts, maybe two? MEA was a fairly good time, but that is now a gun weekend. I personally will not be affected much by this, but some guys rely on public or they hunt on someone's land--how will this change it?
The true test to see how popular a youth hunt would be,,,have it proposed that next year it will be the first 4 days of gun season and then see how popular the surveys and feedback is?
This will not recruit more hunters. Its pretty much total BS about recruting. The forged hunter dads are the ones that will bring their kid out that would have already become a hunter hanging out at deer camp over the next several years. How many guys are going to stand up and go out on the street and ask a kid, "Hey, you wanna kill a deer this weekend?"...... that will not happen. So this "recruiting" effort is a total farse. I have a couple friends with land in Wisconsin. They have never brought their kids friends for the youth season... just their own kids. Their kids are obviously on the path to being a deer hunter without a youth season.....
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Post by kooch on Oct 14, 2019 17:45:31 GMT -6
I'm still taking my kid hunting.
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Post by biglakebass on Oct 14, 2019 19:02:31 GMT -6
My point being your kid would be hunting regardless of a youth season. If there was no youth season, your kid would still be a deer hunter for many years to come.
I have no issue with you taking your kid out. Zero. The play that this a way to recruit hunters is BS. Thats the point.
No angst here that you are taking your kid.... cuz you would be taking him on Nov 9th more than likely if there was no youth season.
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Post by kooch on Oct 14, 2019 19:21:43 GMT -6
Yeah. I'm just trying to stir the pot a little. God's honest truth is he'll be hanging out with his terminally ill grandfather during our firearms season, after (hopefully) killing a deer this weekend with his grandfather's handed down .30-06.
I'll be hunting with the wife, probably not shooting anything even.
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